View Poll Results: best band of all time?
The Beatles (this will probably be popular)
16 Votes / 45.71%
Tool
7 Votes / 20.00%
The Verve
4 Votes / 11.43%
Twisted Sister
6 Votes / 17.14%
Bob Marley
11 Votes / 31.43%
Nirvana
11 Votes / 31.43%
Jimi Hendrix
10 Votes / 28.57%
Maroon 5
4 Votes / 11.43%
Jimmy the Weed and the Misty Four Fingers' Jazzy Experience Limited
149 Votes / 100.00%
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Originally Posted by SporeCc
That's one way of spinning it, but unfortunately that's not correct. I would tell you that I am not particularly fond of Crosby Stills Nash and Young and yet I appreciate and respect their influence and contribution to the global music catalogue. CSNY had something to offer, whereas bands and "artists" that I don't appreciate do not have anything to offer. Take Slipknot, for example. Tell me, what have they brought to the table? Anything? You can't honestly tell me that they've made an important contribution to music as a whole. I suppose you could call me a "Music Utilitarian".
Who are you to say that they didn't bring anything to the table? They got a record deal, didn't they? They are highly famous is the metal scene, aren't they? They have a large fan base and a large amount of record sales, don't they?
You just say that because you don't like them. A Slipknot fan would have a different say, and so would I.
Originally Posted by SporeCc
BUT... you must realize that some music is... bad, right? Right? Bad music is, by nature, bad. What should be done to stop bad things? In this case, bash them.
^ Don't forget this ignorant statement...
It really doesn't matter. You still said that you need to bash bad music. With that attitude, you deserve to have your music bashed. You're music is considered bad by many, so don't think that you're immune to being bashed, either. There is no existence of a bad genre, anways. A band is only bad if they have no fans or album sales, and if they have those two, then someone likes them, someone is buying their albums because they like their music. I remember when I and others bashed Death Metal, but it was stupid and I regret it. It's wrong to bash ANY type of music genre. It's just wrong.
I have left Toribash, but will drop in occasionally on the forums and IRC. Still in Sigma.
Originally Posted by Drummer
Who are you to say that they didn't bring anything to the table? They got a record deal, didn't they? They are highly famous is the metal scene, aren't they? They have a large fan base and a large amount of record sales, don't they?
You just say that because you don't like them. A Slipknot fan would have a different say, and so would I.
^ Don't forget this ignorant statement...
It really doesn't matter. You still said that you need to bash bad music. With that attitude, you deserve to have your music bashed. You're music is considered bad by many, so don't think that you're immune to being bashed, either. There is no existence of a bad genre, anways. A band is only bad if they have no fans or album sales, and if they have those two, then someone likes them, someone is buying their albums because they like their music. I remember when I and others bashed Death Metal, but it was stupid and I regret it. It's wrong to bash ANY type of music genre. It's just wrong.
Sales aside, they have nothing. Come now, humor me and tell me what they've done that's beneficial to music overall.
Secondly, you're point about bashing music is just false! It is far worse to say that all music is good, as this is a stupid and politically correct statement. Face the damn facts, Drummer. Some music is bad, and, being bad, why is it such a primal sin to state why that is the case? If someone is willing to defend that music, then by all means, do so. Just don't you dare lecture me on morals, here. That's ridiculous. In addition, your point that "a band is only bad if they have no fans or albums sales" is possibly the stupidest statement I've heard in a long time. Ever heard of the Velvet Underground? Perhaps now you have. They are now widely regarded as one of the most influential bands of all time, but this was not always the case. Back in the 60's and early 70's they were disliked by critics, sold nearly no albums, and had no fan base. We appreciate their music now because we are smart. Their music hasn't changed since then, so why are they known to be so great? I can tell you that it's not because of album sales, Drummer! Even today, so many indie acts exist that are so fantastic, and yet have no fanbase. Congrats on a really ignorant comment.
EDIT: It's "Your" not "You're" and it's "Others and I" not "I and Others"
Last edited by SporeCc; Apr 29, 2009 at 04:26 AM.
Originally Posted by SporeCc
Sales aside, they have nothing. Come now, humor me and tell me what they've done that's beneficial to music overall.
Secondly, you're point about bashing music is just false! It is far worse to say that all music is good
Who is saying that not bashing it makes the music genre good? It's just fucking pointless to bash a music genre. Nobody likes to have their musical tastes bashed. I know you wouldn't like someone bashing every band in your music range, so why do it back? It's music for God's sake. If you like it, you buy the album. If you don't, fucking walk away without being a bitch about it, somebody else will buy it. I mean, you may think that genre is bad, but someone else out there loves it to death. I guess you think that if it's bad in your eyes, or ears, it's bad for everyone and the music industry.
Originally Posted by SporeCc
BUT... you must realize that some music is... bad, right? Right? Bad music is, by nature, bad. What should be done to stop bad things? In this case, bash them.
^ Congratulations on YOUR ignorant statement...my dad even called you ignorant as he saw what you read.
What are the benefits of bashing a music genre? Tell me, humor me.
Last edited by Drummer; Apr 29, 2009 at 04:56 AM.
I have left Toribash, but will drop in occasionally on the forums and IRC. Still in Sigma.
Originally Posted by Drummer
Who is saying that not bashing it makes the music genre good? It's just fucking pointless to bash a music genre. Nobody likes to have their musical tastes bashed. I know you wouldn't like someone bashing every band in your music range, so why do it back? It's music for God's sake. If you like it, you buy the album. If you don't, fucking walk away without being a bitch about it, somebody else will buy it. I mean, you may think that genre is bad, but someone else out there loves it to death.
What are the benefits of bashing a music genre? Tell me, humor me.
As you say, "Bashing" certain music, that is, questioning the quality of the aforementioned music is important because, in addition to serving as a conduit for the exercising of free speech and stimulating discussion, it challenges the "Fan" to see a different opinion. However, this challenge of one's opinions can't occur if one merely states that the music in question is "bad". By providing evidence to back that statement up, this goal can be achieved. As for me, I would very much like you to "bash" all of my music, so long as you backed up your opinions with real evidence. This would allow me to see a different opinion and possibly make me change my mind.
In summation: If you believe that "bashing" music is an act of blatant statement of a negative opinion without evidence, then you are right in saying that this is wrong. However, since you have stated that I "bash" music, this cannot be the case, as I always provide evidence to back up my opinions when and if they're negative.
Originally Posted by Drummer
It really doesn't matter. You still said that you need to bash bad music. With that attitude, you deserve to have your music bashed. You're music is considered bad by many, so don't think that you're immune to being bashed, either. There is no existence of a bad genre, anways. A band is only bad if they have no fans or album sales, and if they have those two, then someone likes them, someone is buying their albums because they like their music. I remember when I and others bashed Death Metal, but it was stupid and I regret it. It's wrong to bash ANY type of music genre. It's just wrong.
Right... and I'm ignorant...
Please leave the back handed comments elsewhere. I couldn't give two cents about what your father believes. Hello there, sir. You're son is not very smart. Good day.
Originally Posted by SporeCc
As for me, I would very much like you to "bash" all of my music, so long as you backed up your opinions with real evidence. This would allow me to see a different opinion and possibly make me change my mind.
I know better than to bash music genres. I have much better things to do than that.
Why would I even, in the first place, want to change someone's musical likeness for a genre? Wouldn't that be a dick move to even try? See, Spore, that wouldn't make any good sense at all.
You didn't even understand what I meant when I said "A band is only bad if they have no fans or record sales". You hardly do, anyways. Hardly.
Oh yeah...you only consider me "not smart" because we have totally different musical opinions. Nice. I guess that gives me every right to say the same about you.
Last edited by Drummer; Apr 29, 2009 at 05:09 AM.
I have left Toribash, but will drop in occasionally on the forums and IRC. Still in Sigma.