I say no to both.

I disagree with the concept of marriage as a concept at a fundamental level and believe it has spawned a broken society (I am a polyamorist and an atheist/agnostic).

I don't say no to gay adoption as such, but since adoption is based on a percieved need for parents, based on the institution of marriage, I disagree with it fundamentally also.

I also believe morals and ethics are subjective, and that "natural rights," being a product of these, but with a presumption that they are otherwise, are total horse excrement.

I see your point, but this IS a discussions about these issues, so if you disagree with them on a moral standpoint altogether, that kind rules out anything in that area. Remember though, what we are discussing is the legal issues attached to marriage. So, is it right that straight people are allowed by a government (in the US, a government that is supposed to be separate from any religion which may forbid it) to marry, but that homosexuals are not, aside from your personal views on marriage?

True dat, to a certain degree, but also, this is another discussion.


Read up on what Warhero said about slippery slope logic. It is not only one of the most commonly used forms of rhetorich, but it also faulty as hell.


If this were a theoretichal disscussion, than no, you wouldnt be off topic. But to say "this and that and maybe that thing also could happen" when talking about things that are already happen is the same as derailing the topic and focusing on wholly different issues.


Google Alfred Kinsey. Or yes, like someone else said, read about ancient Rome and Greece. Honestly I'm sure being attracted to animals and inanimate objects is nothing new either, the main difference is that homosexuality has been very prevalent since as early as we started writing and has gone in and out of public favor and approval several times. Bestiality and loving things has rarely, if ever, been seen as permissible by any society.


You posted the link after making a statement, which basically says "see, look at this link for proof."

As for whether or not she actually attracted to it, what about the young attractive woman who marries an 80 year old rich man, claiming to love him and be attracted to him? Surely nobody ever abuses marriage simply to gain wealth or fame...


Good luck coming out of the closet homes :P