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Naomi Klein - What is going on in Haiti?
Naomi Klein - What is going on in Haiti?
"There is enough on earth for everybody's need, but not for everyone's greed." - Mohandas Gandhi
What the hell? We take OUR time and OUR money to help people in need and some assoles use it to attack us? Why can't charity just be charity these days?


Katrina and Haiti are two different things because they have different presidents.

Also, nobody helped us when we were in trouble with our natural disasters. Why should we just throw away money to people who don't deserve it?

Yes, I was writing this as I was watching, which is why this lacks structure.
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Originally Posted by jaredvcxz View Post
Also, nobody helped us when we were in trouble with our natural disasters. Why should we just throw away money to people who don't deserve it?

you had the means to help yourselves with your shitty little katrina, that's why.
Last edited by dalir; Jan 24, 2010 at 11:45 PM.
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Originally Posted by jaredvcxz View Post
What the hell? We take OUR time and OUR money to help people in need and some assoles use it to attack us? Why can't charity just be charity these days?


Katrina and Haiti are two different things because they have different presidents.

Also, nobody helped us when we were in trouble with our natural disasters. Why should we just throw away money to people who don't deserve it?

Yes, I was writing this as I was watching, which is why this lacks structure.

If after watching the whole video you still say something like that, then you fail to understand both the point being made in the video and the actual history of Haiti itself.

Let me tell you something about Haiti:
Even before the terrible Earthquake, Haiti has been living under extreme poverty, destruction and corruption. And you ask me why? Why is that Haiti have been under such a ruthless environment? Well Haiti has been experiencing this because of the foul administration of the USA and Europe (specially France). And for the last decades the USA government has been supporting the dictatorship in Haiti, not giving a fuck about the Haitians due to economical interests. Thats one of the reasons why Haiti can't stand the USA.

Some facts for you to digest and research before saying what you just said:
[please do visit the links, the quotes are simply highlights]

There’s no such thing as a ‘natural’ disaster. 200,000 Haitians have been slaughtered by slum housing and IMF “austerity” plans.

Send in the Marines. That’s America’s response. That’s what we’re good at. The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson finally showed up after three days. With what? It was dramatically deployed — without any emergency relief supplies. It has sidewinder missiles and 19 helicopters.

But don’t worry, the International Search and Rescue Team, fully equipped and self-sufficient for up to seven days in the field, deployed immediately with ten metric tons of tools and equipment, three tons of water, tents, advanced communication equipment and water purifying capability. They’re from Iceland.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle24416.htm

The noble “international community” which is currently scrambling to send its “humanitarian aid” to Haiti is largely responsible for the extent of the suffering it now aims to reduce. Ever since the US invaded and occupied the country in 1915, every serious political attempt to allow Haiti’s people to move (in former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s phrase) “from absolute misery to a dignified poverty” has been violently and deliberately blocked by the US government and some of its allies.

Aristide's own government (elected by some 75% of the electorate) was the latest victim of such interference, when it was overthrown by an internationally sponsored coup in 2004 that killed several thousand people and left much of the population smouldering in resentment. The UN has subsequently maintained a large and enormously expensive stabilisation and pacification force in the country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-haitis-plight

Haiti has a longstanding history of US military intervention and occupation going back to the beginning of the 20th Century. US interventionism has contributed to the destruction of Haiti’s national economy and the impoverishment of its population.

The devastating earthquake is presented to World public opinion as the sole cause of the country’s predicament.

A country has been destroyed, its infrastructure demolished. Its people precipitated into abysmal poverty and despair.

Haiti’s history, its colonial past have been erased.

The US military has come to the rescue of an impoverished Nation. What is its Mandate?

Is it a Humanitarian Operation or an Invasion?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=17000

Why does the US owe Haiti Billions? Colin Powell, former US Secretary of State, stated his foreign policy view as the "Pottery Barn rule." That is — "if you break it, you own it."

The US has worked to break Haiti for over 200 years. We owe Haiti. Not charity. We owe Haiti as a matter of justice. Reparations. And not the $100 million promised by President Obama either — that is Powerball money. The US owes Haiti Billions — with a big B.


By ruining Haitian agriculture, the US has forced Haiti into becoming the third largest world market for US rice.

The US has worked for centuries to break Haiti. The US has used Haiti like a plantation. The US helped bleed the country economically since it freed itself, repeatedly invaded the country militarily, supported dictators who abused the people, used the country as a dumping ground for our own economic advantage, ruined their roads and agriculture, and toppled popularly elected officials. The US has even used Haiti like the old plantation owner and slipped over there repeatedly for sexual recreation.

http://www.straightgoods.ca/2010/Vie...53&Cookies=yes
and
http://www.emiratestribune.com/news/...p?newid=326016



Originally Posted by SLAPPED View Post
Also jared your country did receive support from the international community. A combined total of $854 million, of which only $40 million was used to rebuild.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ricane_Katrina



That and everything I posted above is a brutal slap in the face (lol, not making fun of your nickname) for all of those who believe the USA is some sort of a rare wonderland country driven by philanthropists who always give everything without asking something in return.
Last edited by GenkiSudo; Jan 25, 2010 at 01:40 AM.
"There is enough on earth for everybody's need, but not for everyone's greed." - Mohandas Gandhi
Also jared your country did receive support from the international community. A combined total of $854 million, of which only $40 million was used to rebuild.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ricane_Katrina
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Genki, find some unbiased sources, bro.

Seriously, when you start using words like "violently opposed" and "oppression", you're moving from calm logic to fervent defense. Liberals need to make it less obvious that they're liberals.

Also, Dalir, nice of you to call a hurricane that annihilated a city "a shitty little Katrina", while having pity on the Haitian people because you have become disillusioned with US policy. Seriously, get over it.
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Originally Posted by Xtreme View Post
Genki, find some unbiased sources, bro.

Seriously, when you start using words like "violently opposed" and "oppression", you're moving from calm logic to fervent defense. Liberals need to make it less obvious that they're liberals.

Also, Dalir, nice of you to call a hurricane that annihilated a city "a shitty little Katrina", while having pity on the Haitian people because you have become disillusioned with US policy. Seriously, get over it.

He was reffering to how Katrina did next to no damage in comparison to the earthquake.
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Originally Posted by Xtreme View Post
Genki, find some unbiased sources, bro.

Seriously, when you start using words like "violently opposed" and "oppression", you're moving from calm logic to fervent defense. Liberals need to make it less obvious that they're liberals.

Also, Dalir, nice of you to call a hurricane that annihilated a city "a shitty little Katrina", while having pity on the Haitian people because you have become disillusioned with US policy. Seriously, get over it.

Get at least a source, bro.
Seriously, when you post without using any argument at all to counter my so called "liberal fervent defense" it makes it obvious that you're a conservative-without-a-cause. Why don't you get the unbiased ones for me?

Its funny how you'd rather look at me like if I'm the one who have an aggressive stance while totally despising the actual major aggressive stance displayed by the hegemonic wing of the USA government. Hey, at least I don't kill people, nor make them poor. Why would you care more about me than about such unethical actions that are supposedly forbidden under international law? At least have the decency to call all the "donkeys" by their names. And I mean ALL the "donkeys", not just the liberal ones.

Okay? Either way, get over it. Truth is meant to be told. Whether you want to accept it or not. If what I posted is incorrect, then post the correct information and make your participation a little bit more productive.
Last edited by GenkiSudo; Jan 27, 2010 at 10:25 PM.
"There is enough on earth for everybody's need, but not for everyone's greed." - Mohandas Gandhi
Originally Posted by Blam View Post
He was reffering to how Katrina did next to no damage in comparison to the earthquake.

Right-o then, apologies to Dalir.

Originally Posted by GenkiSudo View Post
Get at least a source, bro.
Seriously, when you post without using any argument at all to counter my so called "liberal fervent defense" it makes it obvious that you're a conservative-without-a-cause.

Okay? Either way, get over it. Truth is meant to be told. Whether you want to accept it or not.

Note that I didn't disagree with you at all. I just told you to find some less obviously biased sources. I understand the US is a capitalistic money-grubbing bastard who has no problem with destroying and oppressing a country- and I'm completely fine with it. Money makes the world go 'round, and whatnot.

Also, yes I'm heavily conservative. I don't make any attempts to hide my "bias", so I assume people take it into account when I argue.

And speaking of causes, what's yours? Liberals seem to have plenty of aimless causes nowadays. Haiti is just the latest (and most irksome).
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