Originally Posted by Ladger
Then the politicians who get into office are the ones who spend more on advertisement - rather than meaningful debate and support for their respective ideologies, as I'm pretty sure people will vote for the "shiniest politician".
This isn't america.
Originally Posted by Ladger
Perhaps a better idea would be to convince the people of the importance of voting - not forcefully, but via education?
People are educated on the importance of voting from a young age. When was the last time you checked out your local curriculum? In fact, I believe Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard are forcing the issue harder onto the proposed national curriculum and tieing it in with Australian History (which is also getting a big kick up the arse). I'm sure you already knew that though
Originally Posted by Ladger
If you don't require people to vote, the percentage of people that actually vote depending on the policies the candidates propose will increase - since more of them will care about politics.
That's not really an argument at all.
Also, ITT: Non-voters and virgin voters feel elite
Last edited by m0o; Jan 26, 2010 at 08:54 AM.
Originally Posted by m0o
This isn't america.
So what if it isn't? Stereotyping won't get you anywhere.
Originally Posted by m0o
People are educated on the importance of voting from a young age. When was the last time you checked out your local curriculum? In fact, I believe Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard are forcing the issue harder onto the proposed national curriculum and tieing it in with Australian History (which is also getting a big kick up the arse). I'm sure you already knew that though
Perhaps then they need to educate the students better and remove this obscure requirement to vote then, no?
Originally Posted by m0o
That's not really an argument at all.
Why the hell not? I'm not saying only people who can pass a basic test in politics or something should have the right to vote, I'm just saying that the people with a basic knowledge of politics will increase if a government let voting to choice, big difference.
Originally Posted by Ladger
So what if it isn't? Stereotyping won't get you anywhere.
That's not a stereotype at all. They elected Obama, and he spent the most on marketing. Other than this fact, IMO Hilary was clearly the best choice for obvious reasons.
Originally Posted by Ladger
Perhaps then they need to educate the students better and remove this obscure requirement to vote then, no?
Would you praytell what exactly is wrong with the education system? I mean, since you seem to know so much about it.
Originally Posted by Ladger
Why the hell not? I'm not saying only people who can pass a basic test in politics or something should have the right to vote, I'm just saying that the people with a basic knowledge of politics will increase if a government let voting to choice, big difference.
This still isn't an argument. You cannot prove that by eliminating forceful voting that people still will not make terrible decisions - or even vote for a laugh. Furthermore, you cannot say that those who are capable of making an informed decision will get out and vote. I'm ignoring your terrible wording here, by the way (bolded)
Last edited by m0o; Jan 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM.
Originally Posted by TeapoT
Firstly, you are taking my words out of context when you say "the best future", what I infact said was "what you percieve to be the best future".
Are the two different entities at all? Isn't the perception of a best future, a belief in the best future itself?
To say it less abstractly, why would people think there is a best future to vote for, when the idea of a best future is so ambiguous? Perhaps you mean "best possible future"?
Originally Posted by TeapoT
If you are unsure of who will best suit your desires for the country perhaps you should take an interest and learn. Last time I checked the politicians practically ran the country, therefore I'm not making it sound like you have to care about politics to care about the country. Caring about politics is also a mis-representation, simply having a basic level of understanding of them is sufficient for most people to be satisfied that they are making the correct decision when voting, thus showing they care about the country.
The first part, btw, is a contradiction to your "watch zeitgeist" statement.
Perhaps the people's "correct decision" is abstaining? Perhaps people don't have a basic level of understanding of politics?
Originally Posted by TeapoT
Go watch The Zeitgeist Movement and The Zeitgeist Addendum films, then return when you understand how the world works.
Thanks for the tip, but I already watched both. I tend to think of conspiracy films as more of a broken clock - they're right at certain places, for the wrong reasons.
Originally Posted by TeapoT
Thats what I'm trying to do right here.
You're trying to educate people to vote freely, while supporting oppressive measures? Perhaps even supporting oppressive measures in order to make people think freely?
Contradiction? Please elaborate, I'm confused in my tiny mind.
Originally Posted by TeapoT
People's desire to partake in politics is fueled solely by what they want in the world, the only likely reason for what you just stated occurring is that the quality of the politicians in office, in relation to people's views on the world, would decrease before the increase which you believe would occur.
First off, "quality of the politicians in office"?
Well, I'm kind of doing a double standard here, but; source?
Originally Posted by m0o
That's not a stereotype at all. They elected Obama, and he spent the most on marketing. Other than this fact, IMO Hilary was clearly the best choice for obvious reasons.
Well, *shrug*, what's to say it isn't the same in Australia? Group psychology or just psychology is not different in large scales between western nations.
Originally Posted by m0o
Would you praytell what exactly is wrong with the education system? I mean, since you seem to know so much about it.
Almost all western education systems fail in motivating interests in children towards certain subjects. That's at least my abstract criticism of schools, but I don't want to dwell on the subject. Not because I'm too shallow to say stuff about that (you can PM me if you want to continue this line, you're getting invited to talk with a retard!), but because we'd be going dangerously off topic.
Originally Posted by m0o
This still isn't an argument. You cannot prove that by eliminating forceful voting that people still will not make terrible decisions - or even vote for a laugh. Furthermore, you cannot say that those who are capable of making an informed decision will get out and vote. I'm ignoring your terrible wording here, by the way (bolded)
Of course, there has to be a social experiment conducted by some scientist, but I think the hypothesis is a rather likely, and logical one.
Last edited by Ladger; Jan 26, 2010 at 02:53 PM.
Someone clearly doesn't know much about Australian education.
With mathematics for example, proponents of the Constructivist movement have come to the fore, and mathematics is often tackled in primary schools as an "experience" rather than a series of number crunches and is often tackled in different ways (kinaesthetic, aural, visual) in lieu with Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. This is done to not only motivate students with rewarding practice, but also to foster a life of learning through metacognition in the classroom.
Shall I go on?
If you wan't to blame the education system on your experience at school, second of all look at your teachers and blame them, first of all look at your teenage self and blame yourself for being such a "rebellious" d-bag.
With mathematics for example, proponents of the Constructivist movement have come to the fore, and mathematics is often tackled in primary schools as an "experience" rather than a series of number crunches and is often tackled in different ways (kinaesthetic, aural, visual) in lieu with Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. This is done to not only motivate students with rewarding practice, but also to foster a life of learning through metacognition in the classroom.
Shall I go on?
If you wan't to blame the education system on your experience at school, second of all look at your teachers and blame them, first of all look at your teenage self and blame yourself for being such a "rebellious" d-bag.
