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Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
They're the best means of protection we've got right now.

/thread

Technically I can top that - don't do anyone that hasn't had a STD/AIDS check.

The secret to my success when it comes to not catching anything. Granted it's still not 100%, but it's the best way of dodging the bullet so to speak.

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Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
They're the best means of protection we've got right now.

/thread

Someone can't observe subtext.
The purpose of the thread is to highlight the shortcomings of sex education in the world.

One of my favourite examples is when I state that several thousand or more sperm are required at the egg for a woman to get pregnant. The number of "clever people" (who are indeed clever) who will argue to the ground that you only need one is amazing. They are wrong, not because they are stupid, but because they were taught the wrong thing.

Protips: if only one sperm was required for conception to occur impotence would not be an issue.

Thanks for so blindly chanting a common misconception though. Abstinence is the greatest means of protection, the second of which is having low risk sex with your sexual partner(s), which means having both yourself and your partner tested regularly and openly.

Originally Posted by SkulFuk View Post
Technically I can top that - don't do anyone that hasn't had a STD/AIDS check.

This is exactly the problem. The number of people catching STDs is alarmingly high due to high risk behaviour in teenagers (thankfully its mostly gonnorhea/chlamydia), but people aren't simply getting tested enough. Chlamydia can make you permenantly infertile if you are not treated, but can be remedied fairly easily.

Too much emphasis is placed on condoms - and people associate them as the "be all and end all" for protection (as mr odlov so sheepishly poitned out ) yet a. Condom misuse is extremely common (the most common form of breakage, actually) and b. People are unaware that condoms will not stop the aids virus every singe time.

People need to get themselves and their partners tested regularly, not rely on a double-ply glove.
Originally Posted by m0o View Post
The number of "clever people" (who are indeed clever) who will argue to the ground that you only need one is amazing. They are wrong, not because they are stupid, but because they were taught the wrong thing.

Well yes, technically you only need one. The problem with only having one is the fact that most sperms will never make it because they're too slow and/or have low resistance (they "die" before reaching the egg). Therefore you would need major luck to pick the right one to do the journey all by itself lol.... or you can use artificial insemination instead by selecting the most active (healthy) sperm and injecting it into the egg like its done nowadays.

Lets make an analogy: Its like a war. For example the Battle of Monte Cassino. Most of them inevitably die while trying to conquer the abbey (in this case: the egg).

The problem with impotence (low male fertility) is that in such cases, only a very small number (or maybe even none) of sperm cells have the quality to resist enough time to make it to the egg and still have the strength to penetrate it, therefore it narrows the probability of succeeding... Keeping in mind that even those you could succeed might not always succeed due to numerous factors. Smoking, for example, is know to reduce the quality of the sperm. Makes them less resistant.

Long story short: Technically you only need one sperm. But having millions on each ejaculation rises the probability of succeeding dramatically (when they're healthy, high quality sperms) by deploying some of those healthy/ninja fuckers. lol


The best way to prevent pregnancy is to combine series of methods such as: controlled menstrual cycle/lutheal phase + contraceptive pill + male condom + "coitus interruptus" + female condom + spermicide (there's even more)... I doubt anyone could get pregnant by combining all these methods at the same time... Its virtually impossible.
Last edited by GenkiSudo; Jan 28, 2010 at 05:41 AM.
"There is enough on earth for everybody's need, but not for everyone's greed." - Mohandas Gandhi
Originally Posted by GenkiSudo View Post
Well yes, technically you only need one.

HAHAHA you areWRONG

The reaction takes only one sperm and one egg cell, however the egg itself is coated in a protective layer that takes thousands of sperm cells to penetrate (sperm release energy through the mitochondrial head once they reach the egg). Many more sperm get to the egg than you think.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Thanks for proving my point. Way to be taught something completely wrong, bro.
Last edited by m0o; Jan 28, 2010 at 05:41 AM.
Originally Posted by m0o View Post
HAHAHA you areWRONG

The reaction takes only one sperm and one egg cell, however the egg itself is coated in a protective layer that takes thousands of sperm cells to penetrate (sperm release energy through the mitochondrial head once they reach the egg). Many more sperm get to the egg than you think.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Thanks for proving my point. Way to be taught something completely wrong, bro.

Not through artificial insemination = I win. lol
Plus I doubt you need more than one to "drill" the fucker... At least all of the documentaries and books I've seen/read don't talk about it and don't show collective/cooperative drilling on the same hole. lol
A lot of sperms might get to the egg, but only one (the first to penetrate it - which happens to be a healthy sperm cell) makes it inside and then yes, the egg gets the protective membrane that prevent other sperm cells from penetrating it. When more than one makes it inside (very, very rare from what I've heard/read) there is a possibility of having semi-identical twins when and IF the egg have been previously split in identical halves.
Last edited by GenkiSudo; Jan 28, 2010 at 06:02 AM.
"There is enough on earth for everybody's need, but not for everyone's greed." - Mohandas Gandhi
Originally Posted by GenkiSudo View Post
Not through artificial insemination = I win. lol

in the case of artificial insemination the sperm is injected into the ovum and thus the barrier is not an issue. However, other methods involve submerging the ovum in hordes of sperm, in which case the same thing still takes place.

This is completely unrelated to sex education, because artificial insemination does not occur during sex. Sorry, bro.

The sex education system is so poor that people think modern biology has a place in it.

Bros, how are we going to fix this?
Last edited by m0o; Jan 28, 2010 at 05:54 AM.
Originally Posted by m0o View Post
in the case of artificial insemination the sperm is injected into the ovum and thus the barrier is not an issue. However, other methods involve submerging the ovum in hordes of sperm, in which case the same thing still takes place.

This is completely unrelated to sex education, because artificial insemination does not occur during sex. Sorry, bro.

The sex education system is so poor that people think modern biology has a place in it.

Bros, how are we going to fix this?

Sex education usually tackles info about artificial insemination too. They also talk about the importance of hygiene, healthiness, behaviors and so on. All of the major surrounding topics are important when it comes to sex education because everything is interconnected and its important to be informed about them. And fertility treatment sure is an important issue to be approached. Not just strictly sex-related topics. I even remember about being taught about breast and prostate cancer during a sex education session when I was at school.

I agree that the general sex education system is poor, at least here in Portugal where I live. However recently it looks like there were some improvements on it (namely: a dedicated/independent discipline being taught at schools), but I'm not sure because I'm 24yo now, and I'm working, not studying.
Last edited by GenkiSudo; Jan 28, 2010 at 06:22 AM.
"There is enough on earth for everybody's need, but not for everyone's greed." - Mohandas Gandhi
Originally Posted by m0o View Post
HAHAHA you areWRONG

The reaction takes only one sperm and one egg cell, however the egg itself is coated in a protective layer that takes thousands of sperm cells to penetrate (sperm release energy through the mitochondrial head once they reach the egg). Many more sperm get to the egg than you think.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Thanks for proving my point. Way to be taught something completely wrong, bro.

I fail to see why a 10 year old would ever need to be taught that in sex education lessons...

Unless you are referring to sex education when you are older, in which case, we have Biology for that.
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Originally Posted by Insane View Post
I fail to see why a 10 year old would ever need to be taught that in sex education lessons...

Unless you are referring to sex education when you are older, in which case, we have Biology for that.

It's being brought in at a way younger age over here (UK), this year it was 7 year olds, next year it'll be even younger. They plan on targeting people younger thinking it'll drum it into their heads.

They should take teens to a museum dedicated to STDs, seeing a waxwork of a syphilis riddled cock was the reason I made sure I never caught something. Scare tactics FTW.

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