HTOTM: FUSION
Scientific theory is different than conjecture. A theory as almost a fact, save for it being untestable.
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Originally Posted by War_Hero View Post
Scientific theory is different than conjecture. A theory as almost a fact, save for it being untestable.

A law is a fact (through our understanding), a theory is a theory.

There are certainly sound theories for the existence of god, such as our lack of understanding of how we came to be (going back to the creation of the universe) - highlighted in a previous post: even if the big bang was the cause of the universe as we know it, what caused the big bang?

People who discount science are stupid, though and I will say straight out that they are douchebags

Empirical theory is different to regular theory like you say, however a theory must be testable and falsifiable. Big Bang is actually a Scientific Model, not a theory.
Last edited by m0o; Feb 6, 2010 at 11:40 AM.
Theories are not made through deductive logic. Theories are made through induction (inductive logic) from a body of observable evidence. Ergo, there are no theories of/for god. There are hypotheses sure, but not theories.

Originally Posted by Rutten View Post
Theories are not made through deductive logic. Theories are made through induction (inductive logic) from a body of observable evidence. Ergo, there are no theories of/for god. There are hypotheses sure, but not theories.

This is true for empirical theory only.
There are certianly many theories for God.

You could even stipulate that inductive logic occured when someone thought of the idea of a benevolent creator. They observed life and made an induction
Originally Posted by m0o View Post
even if the big bang was the cause of the universe as we know it, what caused the big bang?

It's just like saying if God/Elohim/Yahweh/what ever you want to to call him, created everything then who created God?
Originally Posted by Torzilla View Post
It's just like saying if God/Elohim/Yahweh/what ever you want to to call him, created everything then who created God?

Exactly.
Science and Religion both have their limits.

If you take christianity as an example, their God is omnipresent and thus would exist everywhere in time and space simultaneously.

For all we know, God could have been created by theists imagining him. They since imagined him as omnipresent and thus he actually outdates theism.
Last edited by m0o; Feb 6, 2010 at 03:09 PM.