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Why do people become angry and verbally violent over claims like this. that makes your proclaimed intelligence levels a lie.

If you were really that smart, and this was really that offensively false, you would use your intelligence to provide physical evidnce of how and why this is not possible, instead of yelling in the wind about how stupid people are to believe this.

Oh, yeah, that's really going to convince anyone that you're right. /sarcastic

If humans can evolve from apes and build computers, i dont see why they cant starve and dehydrate themselves and survive it.
SuicideDo, the Brewtal Drunken Immortal.
Originally Posted by SuicideDo View Post
If humans can evolve from apes and build computers, i dont see why they cant starve and dehydrate themselves and survive it.

1. Humans haven't "evolved from" apes - we are a species of apes.

2. Evolution happens across thousands of generations - the change possible within a single lifetime is very limited - for good reason.
The old man would have shriveled like a prune and digested his own stomach tissue until he died in severe pain. What you propose is simply magic. No matter how many times i fall from buildings in my lifetime, i won't evolve to fly.
Not possible unless proved through rigorous testing.
"There is enough on earth for everybody's need, but not for everyone's greed." - Mohandas Gandhi
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
1. Humans haven't "evolved from" apes - we are a species of apes.

2. Evolution happens across thousands of generations - the change possible within a single lifetime is very limited - for good reason.
The old man would have shriveled like a prune and digested his own stomach tissue until he died in severe pain. What you propose is simply magic. No matter how many times i fall from buildings in my lifetime, i won't evolve to fly.


Never once did i support the idea of magic or miracle pertaining to the claim as being presumably true, but presented my opinions of how it might be possible.

I Still find there is more reason to believe that it can be made possible, anything, through the right preparation and training and exercise than to place faith in presumed facts and recorded statistics.

Saying it is impossible for the human body to prepare for great feats like this is also like saying that human beings could never, ever, not once in the course of time, ever construct a machine that can fly.

Im not saying that this man's claim is genuine, but that the presentation could very possibly be a real aspect of life's many wonders and mysteries.
SuicideDo, the Brewtal Drunken Immortal.
Originally Posted by SuicideDo View Post
Never once did i support the idea of magic or miracle pertaining to the claim as being presumably true, but presented my opinions of how it might be possible.

Your opinion is wrong.
If i "present my opinion" on how I see it possible for the sun to be a cube, I should expect to be made a laughing stock unless i prove concrete evidence (which you didn't do).

I Still find there is more reason to believe that it can be made possible, anything, through the right preparation and training and exercise than to place faith in presumed facts and recorded statistics.

No, nothing is "presumed" about facts of basic biology - they have been continuously verified throughout human history and in the labs. Do you know how many starving men and women lived throughout history? You know how much "fasting training" they received? All the peasants? The serfs? The Russians in Leningrad blockade? Yeah, no one magically lost the need to eat. Would be damn nice though.

It's you who "places faith" in as of yet unproven ridiculous claims.

Saying it is impossible for the human body to prepare for great feats like this is also like saying that human beings could never, ever, not once in the course of time, ever construct a machine that can fly.

Complete strawman.
Our ability to build complex machinery is a result of a long evolution of our cognitive abilities AND collection of human knowledge. Everything we make now is thanks to knowledge we've collected over thousands of years. Give a million Cro-Magnons a single lifetime to develop and build a car, and none of them will succeed - because it's impossible.

Also, why do you think we even need to build airplanes? couldn't we just "evolve to fly"?
Last edited by Odlov; Jun 2, 2010 at 06:01 AM.
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
Your opinion is wrong.
If i "present my opinion" on how I see it possible for the sun to be a cube, I should expect to be made a laughing stock unless i prove concrete evidence (which you didn't do).



No, nothing is "presumed" about facts of basic biology - they have been continuously verified throughout human history and in the labs. Do you know how many starving men and women lived throughout history? You know how much "fasting training" they received? All the peasants? The serfs? The Russians in Leningrad blockade? Yeah, no one magically lost the need to eat. Would be damn nice though.

It's you who "places faith" in as of yet unproven ridiculous claims.



Complete strawman.
Our ability to build complex machinery is a result of a long evolution of our cognitive abilities AND collection of human knowledge. Everything we make now is thanks to knowledge we've collected over thousands of years. Give a million Cro-Magnons a single lifetime to develop and build a car, and none of them will succeed - because it's impossible.

Also, why do you think we even need to build airplanes? couldn't we just "evolve to fly"?

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between outright starvation and "starvation exercise", a practice known as fasting.

MOST PEOPLE dont even fast at all, all year round, in developed civilization and have no real valid opinion on the matter if they base their answers solely in biology and not even think to look into other explanations such as training and potential of mind-over-matter.

Using outright starvation, as training, as an argument is invalid, as it inherently neglects the "exercise" factor of training.


If, for 12 years from birth, a boy trains by fasting for increasing periods of time over time, he would eventually have trained to require minimal food and drink until, by age 12, he could continually live without either.


If he were outright deprived and never allowed to eat or drink when his body absolutely required during training, he would have died before he could begin.

I am agreeing that it needs to be proven yet, but i am disagreeing that it is outright impossible.


If we ever needed to fly, wouldnt we have evolved wings?



Edit: for lulz here, does anyone else find my user name showing up in this thread kind of ironic?

Man has fasted for 70 years
by SuicideDo
Last edited by SuicideDo; Jun 2, 2010 at 06:43 AM.
SuicideDo, the Brewtal Drunken Immortal.
Originally Posted by SuicideDo View Post
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between outright starvation and "starvation exercise", a practice known as fasting.

MOST PEOPLE dont even fast at all, all year round, in developed civilization and have no real valid opinion on the matter if they base their answers solely in biology and not even think to look into other explanations such as training and potential of mind-over-matter.

Using outright starvation, as training, as an argument is invalid, as it inherently neglects the "exercise" factor of training.


If, for 12 years from birth, a boy trains by fasting for increasing periods of time over time, he would eventually have trained to require minimal food and drink until, by age 12, he could continually live without either.


If he were outright deprived and never allowed to eat or drink when his body absolutely required during training, he would have died before he could begin.

I am agreeing that it needs to be proven yet, but i am disagreeing that it is outright impossible.


If we ever needed to fly, wouldnt we have evolved wings?



Edit: for lulz here, does anyone else find my user name showing up in this thread kind of ironic?

Man has fasted for 70 years
by SuicideDo

Despite any sort of conditioning, there are things that remain impossible to human beings. Going without any source of energy or nutrition for 70 years is one of those.
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
Your opinion is wrong.
If i "present my opinion" on how I see it possible for the sun to be a cube, I should expect to be made a laughing stock unless i prove concrete evidence (which you didn't do).

The sun is a cube though, it has a front, a back, 2 sides, a top and a bottom.