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This video makes a lot of sense.


As the United States is generating more and more obese youth, the kids are always being blamed for being fat, over-weight, what ever you want to call it.

I'm a firm beliver that it isn't JUST their fault.

Discuss.
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Im sorry, but I... I didnt get the meaning of it....
is it something like "Its ok to be big" "Dont make fun of Obese kids" or... IDK Can someone explain this video to me please?
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People are too soft sometimes. It's not okay to be fat. It is a major health risk.
Next thing you know people are going to say it's okay to chain smoke.
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Totally true, im not being soft, im just bringing up a major problem in the united states. most people just point at the kids. it is their fault, AND the adults. thats what the discussion is about, whos fault do you think it is and why?
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Originally Posted by ThePz View Post
Totally true, im not being soft, im just bringing up a major problem in the united states. most people just point at the kids. it is their fault, AND the adults. thats what the discussion is about, whos fault do you think it is and why?

if a child is obese it is the parents fault. No blame rests with the kid, since they are a kid and can't comprehend the magnitude of situation.
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The blame lies on irresponsible careless parents, who allow/encourage their kids to eat junk food. Children don't have the power to control their own diet, and frankly don't even have enough experience and judgment to know why they should care.

Here is one of the grossest examples of parental negligence:

Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
The blame lies on irresponsible careless parents, who allow/encourage their kids to eat junk food. Children don't have the power to control their own diet, and frankly don't even have enough experience and judgment to know why they should care.

Here is one of the grossest examples of parental negligence:




These parents were raised in a world of "convenience" and corporate consumerism. the parents alone arent to blame, but their own environment as well.


People raised to rely on the ease of convenience are only NATURALLY going to grow fat and unhealthy.

It's something that you can ignore from me, though, 'cuz i have no rational way of describing how stupid i think the situation is.


Originally Posted by tertywerty View Post
I only condone losing weight by eating healthy foods and correct portions.

Going on "diets or dieting" is really bad for you, if you are doing that fucking stop it.

"Dieting" i agree, but "diet" is merely a word that describes your variety and frequency of intake.

Oats, fruit, vegetables, and herbs were the ideal human diet for eons, but genetics come into play from the conditioning humans have subjected themselves to since the last ice age, some genetics have grown dependent on food types that were not always naturally healthy for the human body, but we have adapted over the generations.

Odlov: i guess that makes me an ectomorph but i find it is not as simple as genetic influence, but a combination of personal lifestyle, competing with the lifestyles of the parents', recorded in their genes.

I beleive that we can overcome our genetic limitations by challenging ourselves and pushing ourselves past our limits.
I never built much muscle in my life (or fat) until i started working out more and more regularly. Now, im earning a six pack and some cut features that i never before thought possible.

However, I'll still probably never see 200 lbs even if I tried, since i was at my "laziness peak" when i was eating the most consistently and quantity in my life... kind of ironic, but that was around the time i began training in Karate, and taking on self-training in the natural style martial art.
I've gained 40 lbs from all this, pure muscle. If i could afford to better my diet, i would expect that my efforts would produce tenfold results in weight gain and muscle building.

I believe that the diet and lifestyle are more dominant in determining the body shape and type than genetics are.


Originally Posted by Onamist View Post
At 16 you know the damage that you are doing to yourself and have some power to change what you are doing. Kids who are 10 or 11 have no idea what they are doing, nor can they really do anything about it.

This is the sad and brutal truth people.
We are responsible for ourselves once we becoem self aware, usually around hte age of 13-16. \o/
Last edited by SuicideDo; Jun 7, 2010 at 01:16 AM.
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Originally Posted by SuicideDo View Post
These parents were raised in a world of "convenience" and corporate consumerism. the parents alone arent to blame, but their own environment as well.

Now we're getting into infinite regress. If a killer commits murder, we don't punish his parents and society (although they played a big part in his development).
Many people are raised in consumerism environment. Not all are fat.
The information about effects of consuming quality and quantity of certain foods is out there.
Last edited by Odlov; Jun 7, 2010 at 01:21 AM.
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
Now we're getting into infinite regress. If a killer commits murder, we don't punish his parents and society (although they played a big part in his development).
Many people are raised in consumerism environment. Not all are fat.
The information about effects of certain foods is out there. If someone decides to ignore it, it's their problem.

Never meant to suggest they were. Merely pointing out that which influences the topic the most, at least in my opinion.

And taking my words in such a manner also ignores the diversity of body types and lifestyles, which are not strictly correlated to the environment, but the whole range of experiences, which are as diverse as the world itself.


However, i will still not condone majority consumerist lifestyle, as it only encourages the problem and serves very little to manage it or encourage any effort in solution.

Rather, we are left to our own selves to do that, not always encouraged by outside influences to do right for ourselves. seemingly more often than not encouraged to live self damaging lifestyles.

I am not saying it is inherently a problem to be obese either, there are healthy types of obesity and unhealthy alike.


Growing obese on healthy and high fiber foods results in healthier bodies, in spite of their size.


The size alone is not what the problem is, but the cause of the girth is.
Is it from high intake of healthy ingredients, or from excessive ingestion of preservatives?
Does your skin hang loose, or snap back like a rubber band?
Can you jog more than 100 yards, or swim longer than 15 minutes?
Is your breathing regularly shallow, or is it deep?


There are healthy fat people as well as unhealthy alike, it is more about your diet and lifestyle than anything else.


It is merely that consumerism encourages more laziness than activity, as it provides th ease of convenience, so long as you have enough money, thereby encouraging, not physical activity, but wage earning activity, which is not always very active.


An office job would kill me.
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As a child, I would have loved it if my parents had fed me only high calorie, sugar filled sweets all the time. It wouldn't have once crossed my mind that I was making unhealthy food choices if my parents did not tell me I was.

Point being, parents serve as dietitians for their children. If the parents are orchestrating an inevitable path to obesity, the child will most likely do nothing to stray away from it.

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