Originally Posted by Ele
@Gormon.
Cite facts. The amount to keep someone in prison ranges from $20k to $80k depending on the level of security. A quick google search and the average of the results of the first few pages supports this. Commit murder in Australia and you're looking at a minimum 12 years in jail. $240k - $960k. In murder cases, the brunt of the cost is in the hands of the defense, not Regina, and would never cost more than a million dollars.
I am a bit put off by the fact that you seem to have skimmed my post, and not even read the last post in the thread. But sure.
In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.
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Originally Posted by Gorman
I am a bit put off by the fact that you seem to have skimmed my post, and not even read the last post in the thread. But sure.
You got you information of a leftist activists blog? Lol. Deeper investigation shows that she validates her 'facts' from anti-death penalty website, which has received shittonnes of donations from the Democratic party and it's affiliates. I could very easily show you Republican version of that site too, that provides 'facts' that go against your lefties.
The best way to go about gathering information on an issue like this is to take a large amount of research and average it out and find common ground. Like I did.
The shit you spurt is recycled liberal shit from a collective cesspit of liberal shits. Shit your own shit, son.
Originally Posted by Ele
You got you information of a leftist activists blog? Lol. Deeper investigation shows that she validates her 'facts' from anti-death penalty website, which has received shittonnes of donations from the Democratic party and it's affiliates. I could very easily show you Republican version of that site too, that provides 'facts' that go against your lefties.
The best way to go about gathering information on an issue like this is to take a large amount of research and average it out and find common ground. Like I did.
The shit you spurt is recycled liberal shit from a collective cesspit of liberal shits. Shit your own shit, son.
Except he gives a definite source, and while you claim to be able to give a definite source you do not. You are either lazy, talking through your ass, or both.
Anyways, google gives these results as the first three:
http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html - California spends an extra 90 million, while texas spends even more (yes, this is the "leftist blog" that gorman linked earlier)
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/taxonomy/term/16 General figures about the extraordinary yet necessary expenses of a death penalty case
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27...state-budgets/ (Fox news is LEFTIST??) Death penalty cases cost 1 mil. more than life without parole cases.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne
Except he gives a definite source, and while you claim to be able to give a definite source you do not. You are either lazy, talking through your ass, or both.
Well fuck me, son. Right here.
If you're referring to the other info specified in the thread, I did.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
Anyways, google gives these results as the first three:
http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html - California spends an extra 90 million, while texas spends even more (yes, this is the "leftist blog" that gorman linked earlier)
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/taxonomy/term/16 General figures about the extraordinary yet necessary expenses of a death penalty case
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27...state-budgets/ (Fox news is LEFTIST??) Death penalty cases cost 1 mil. more than life without parole cases.
First 3 sites on google are Wikipedia, Amnesty International and the one Gormon posted, bro.
Regardless, you're all under the assumption that for some reason, we should be allocating a fuck-tonne of court time + money to murder trials. The defendant should hire whoever they want out of their own pocket and the State should give them a few days to make their case. Then a set of 3 or 5 judges or so will make a decision. Like in the High Court o' Australia. Max cost the state, half a mil'. Then kill the fuckers. Cash problem solved!
Originally Posted by Ele
Well fuck me, son. Right here.
If you're referring to the other info specified in the thread, I did.
It seems to me that you posted an extremely biased site whilst claiming that our arguments should be disregarded because we linked from a biased site.
I think you just cancelled out your own argument there. Luckily I did some unbiased reporting further up the thread that you seem to have conveniently not read.
Originally Posted by Ele
First 3 sites on google are Wikipedia, Amnesty International and the one Gormon posted, bro.
Regardless, you're all under the assumption that for some reason, we should be allocating a fuck-tonne of court time + money to murder trials. The defendant should hire whoever they want out of their own pocket and the State should give them a few days to make their case. Then a set of 3 or 5 judges or so will make a decision. Like in the High Court o' Australia. Max cost the state, half a mil'. Then kill the fuckers. Cash problem solved!
This discussion is not about cash, this is not "should we forgo the legal process just to make things cheaper", it is about whether or not the death penalty should be allowed.
'You assume it costs a lot' - It does cost a lot, since you do not even try to deny this, then you obviously recognize that currently death penalty is far more costly than incarceration.
Your argument is essentially 'lets make the legal system bare-bones, and then it will be cheap, hence capital punishment is better', however the same argument can be put forward against death penalty, why can't we just ship people off, similar to how Australia was founded. That hardly cost the English anything.
Do you know how much it costs to fly to England from Australia now days? Flights are as cheap as $70, and I am sure prisons could get a cheaper deal than that.
You would be hard pressed to execute someone for a cost less than $70.
Besides, we are not here to discuss 'can we make things cheaper', we are here to discuss the death penalty, your argument is tangental at best, and strawman at worst.
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