Originally Posted by ChrisDom

Refer to 20:30, when he saids, "Many people can go shopping without becoming shopaholics."

Same thing.

Not everyone who smoked a cigarette, continues to smoke. While nicotine is seen as "addictive". If something was addictive on its own, without your control, you wouldn't be able to stop. Understanding psychology plays a part in it, basically the, "Why are drug addicts addicted to X drug?" it's not the drug that makes them addicted to it. It's the problems that lead to the use of the drug and the effect that overlaps the problem. Therefore, you seek more to avoid your problem. This is my take on it. For example, who likes the taste of alcohol? Not many without acquiring the taste for it and then, why did you acquire a taste for such a thing?

Beers could contain chloride, phosphates, sulfates, nitrates and fluoride.

Defining "Addiction" is a difficult thing. Not the definition of addiction but the concept of addiction and why it happens.

Part 3 is where the solutions begin. Parts 1 and 2 are the introductions to the ideas and the reflection of what we have done.

Originally Posted by dalir

Surely you're not saying (or he's saying, whatever, I'm going to watch it later) that purely psychological addictions are the same thing as for example, a heroine addiction? Do you see "shopaholics" throwing up and having mental breakdowns because they can't go shopping? There's a difference between wanting to do something because it makes you feel good (over-eating, over-gambling, over-shopping, over-exercising, the list goes on), and being stuck with a body that craves whatever chemical you started putting into your body, and retaliates physically if it doesn't get it. Nicotine is a weak chemical, the only physical retaliation will be feeling a bit cranky. The psychological part comes into play when you've fooled yourself into a need you don't really have; relying on it.

But, I'm posting this without context and I'll come back when I've watched it. Even though most of what was said in the earlier Zeitgeists was bullshit, I like what he's doing. Rock on, the truth is out there.

Originally Posted by ChrisDom

Yes. This happens to some shopaholics, of course not every shopaholic throws up and breaks down but an example of this would be an episode of "True life - I'm a compulsive shopper" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOvUbV_WWb0) I believe somewhere in this episode, one of the girls breaks down.

I personally think that doing something because it feels good is an addiction. Addiction to masturbation, Addiction to Sex etc.

And then we have addictions where we blame the drug itself, (heroine, crack, cigarettes)

You become addicted to the feeling you get.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Cheap reality shows are not actual reality.
Secondly, if that in fact actually ever did happen in real life (it won't and it doesn't) it would not be a forced physical reaction, but a product of the girl's mental state at being prevented from doing something she is obsessed with. Screaming and crying because someone takes your copy of WoW (famous video etc.) is not the same thing as actual withdrawal symptoms.

Originally Posted by ChrisDom

You can sit here all day and completely blast everything without even watching the damn thing.

No shit, reality shows aren't real reality. But shopping addiction is an addiction people have problems with or there wouldn't be THIS

For now, I'm just going to ignore you until you watch it because i'm not going to argue with you when you don't even understand what this whole thing is about.

You just seem to be the one asshole who likes to sit in the back and disregard everything because you're too edgy to care.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Kind of says something about its credibility, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Oh yeah, I'm "disregarding everything" by pointing out the logical fallacies, and I'm only doing it because that makes me cool.
Jesus christ, what a five year old attitude.