Originally Posted by Takkrala

i completly agree with gorman on this subject.

i watched the whole vid and didnt even remotely care. theyll die anyway, so whats the point in caring if they die soon enough? (wasnt a question. so dont answer it.)

point is, either the whole world has to care and stop eating meat.
or, all of you should just face these things happen.

Keep enjoying that steak people!

Originally Posted by ivolt

Meh, I saw the whole earthlings video, this really isn't that shocking. I suppose that's a nice upside to stomaching through this.

While I have to admit I do cringe from time to time, I can't really say that really matters to me. Cows and pigs, as evil as the cat in babe was, really have no purpose. No animals really have a purpose, and these ones are really tasty. Some are kept in a cruel sunless world, others wander fields untill a bolt goes through the brain. I usually just for the "Not kept in a breeding factory" type meat.

However, some forms of animal cruelty are really, cruel I guess. Am I allowed to talk about this? The more...controversial side of the discussion about when killing animals stops being justifiable.

Originally Posted by GenTech

but we dont have to beat animals in the face with crowbars to death or stab them in the legs

Originally Posted by GenTech

Point being, find more humane ways. Im sure throwing baby male chickens into a grinder is really uneccesary.

Originally Posted by GenTech

They have no purpose eh ? Then what is our purpose ? To slaughter the rest of the worlds life ? Im sure that would be a fucking lame ass existence

Originally Posted by GenTech

K so should we come and beat you in the face with a crowbar..cause, youll die soon anyways right ? Who cares as long as you die soon. No, we dont have to stop eating meat, but we dont have to beat animals in the face with crowbars to death or stab them in the legs with pitchfork's. And i get steak from my grandpa's farm ,where all his animals are treated good and are asleep before he kills them. He doesnt walk into the barn and start beating the hell out of the animals with blunt objects.

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Originally Posted by Takkrala

i completly agree with gorman on this subject.

i watched the whole vid and didnt even remotely care. theyll die anyway, so whats the point in caring if they die soon enough?

(wasnt a question. so dont answer it.)

point is, either the whole world has to care and stop eating meat.
or, all of you should just face these things happen.

Keep enjoying that steak people!

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Gorman was playing Devil's advocate and clearly struggling, that you'd agree is astonishing.

Brb, hitting a terminally ill child in the face. Just because they're dying soon doesn't mean making their lives even worse is acceptable.

Haha, yes it was.
Do you honestly believe half the cruelty in that video was needed or wanted by most meat-eaters?
"It happens often so we shouldn't care" is also pretty dumb.
This video isn't an argument for vegetarianism, it's an argument against slaughterhouse procedure. This should be obvious.

lol, the only reasons to support inhumane slaughterhouse practices are cheap meat, the idea that we can and should act like base animals that actually need to bite their prey to death, and the silly concept that if they're dying soon it's okay.

Originally Posted by Gorman

Now now Boredpayne, just because I said what I said under that pretext does not make the points any less valid.

If you cannot successfully counter the points that you so clearly think are poor, then really whose fault is it?

There is certainly no need to insult anyone over it.

Hoi hoi, a human life is worth far more than an animals.
From a legal standpoint it is worth more, from a moral standpoint it is worth more, from a social standpoint it is worth more. I am not sure how you could think that an animal is equal to a human.

Once again hoi hoi, I don't agree with senseless violence on any level. However, going out of your way to stun a cow before slaughtering it is just as needless.

I can't submit to going out of ones way to cause violence, or going out of ones way to make things more comfortable for a doomed animal. Even if you dress the cow in the finest silk and give it a last meal of caviar and sea-grass, at the end of the day it is going to die.

"It happens often so we shouldn't care" is a perfectly valid argument. Would you want to live near a volcano? Or in an earthquake prone area? Of course if you are given the choice in this manner you say no. Yet, many volcanoes have entire cities in their shadow and many fault lines have just as much. Seeing it like this may shock you, but I can garauntee that with every passing second the shock is draining away, soon enough you will understand it is normal.

What is more important, humans or animals?

The answer is so obvious that it hurts me to even inform you, the answer is 'humans'.

The simple truth is that these animals live only so they can die for us.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Gorman was playing Devil's advocate and clearly struggling, that you'd agree is astonishing.
Brb, hitting a terminally ill child in the face. Just because they're dying soon doesn't mean making their lives even worse is acceptable.

Not at all like hitting a child, a child has emotion. Plus the even if you argue it doesn't, its parents or care takers have the emotional need to care for it. and even if you say so do animal parents, real parents have repercussions in our society, cows, don't.

Haha, yes it was.
Do you honestly believe half the cruelty in that video was needed or wanted by most meat-eaters?
"It happens often so we shouldn't care" is also pretty dumb.
This video isn't an argument for vegetarianism, it's an argument against slaughterhouse procedure. This should be obvious.

Imma agree with you on this

@Fee: lol, the only reasons to support inhumane slaughterhouse practices are cheap meat, the idea that we can and should act like base animals that actually need to bite their prey to death, and the silly concept that if they're dying soon it's okay.

Cheap Meat yes to fill consumer needs for an economy that is sustainable. If no one bought meat we would lose an obscene amount of money. Its okay to kill them because they taste good and yeah who cares if they have a good life if people still buy it(even indirectly as you said), then they will mass produce it.

The industry's never going to change because "we kill our animals humanely" is hardly a marketing point likely to strike a chord in the public's heart. Especially since the public doesn't even buy from them, grocery stores and restaurants do. I agree, but it doesn't need to change.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

@Fee: lol, the only reasons to support inhumane slaughterhouse practices are cheap meat, the idea that we can and should act like base animals that actually need to bite their prey to death, and the silly concept that if they're dying soon it's okay.

The industry's never going to change because "we kill our animals humanely" is hardly a marketing point likely to strike a chord in the public's heart. Especially since the public doesn't even buy from them, grocery stores and restaurants do.