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17 year old Jake Evans kills mother and sister and calls 911.
http://soundcloud.com/christin-coyne...evans-911-call

What charges do you think he should face (If you believe that he SHOULD face charges at all)?

Do you think his actions were rational or irrational?

How do you think he feels now (Does he regret it or not)?




Or, you know, we could just talk about what we think as a total...
I have zero tolerance for these type of people. And honestly, I would take joy in torturing this kid.

I'm disgusted with humanity, and this is proof to how our advanced brains make us a truly terrible species. Other animals don't have the mental capacity to be "good" or "evil" or "crazy". They're mostly kind to eachother, unless threatened.

I think this is a prime example of how disgusting humans are.
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen View Post
I have zero tolerance for these type of people. And honestly, I would take joy in torturing this kid.

I'm disgusted with humanity, and this is proof to how our advanced brains make us a truly terrible species. Other animals don't have the mental capacity to be "good" or "evil" or "crazy". They're mostly kind to eachother, unless threatened.

I think this is a prime example of how disgusting humans are.

Do you realize what you just said?

In your second sentence, you stated that you would "take joy in torturing this kid". You then go on and say "this is proof to how our advanced brains make us a truly terrible species".

You talk about how bad of a species we are, etc., and I totally agree with you, but what you just said completely baffles me.


Anyway, I just listened to the entire thing, and I feel pretty bad for the kid. He sounds like a normal 17 year old, it's sad to see that he was so confused, etc.


What charges do you think he should face (If you believe that he SHOULD face charges at all)?: Obviously, he killed his mom and sister. No matter how bad he feels, he admits to doing it and that he wanted to do it. He will face a lot of tough times in the coming years. It's too bad, he threw his entire life away for nothing.

Do you think his actions were rational or irrational?: I believe this question is too obvious for me to answer.

How do you think he feels now (Does he regret it or not)?: I know for a fact that it isn't easy for him. He stated on the phone that he was pretty scared and most of the time was asking about how this all is going to haunt him in the future. I really feel bad for this kid. What he did was terrible and he will never be able to take it back.
Last edited by Faint; Oct 9, 2012 at 02:55 AM.
Originally Posted by Faint View Post
Do you realize what you just said?

In your second sentence, you stated that you would "take joy in torturing this kid". You then go on and say "this is proof to how our advanced brains make us a truly terrible species".

You talk about how bad of a species we are, etc., and I totally agree with you, but what you just said completely baffles me.

I'm not exempt from my statement hahaha. But nah, kids murdering their family for no apparent reason is my one pet peeve. I can't even begin to muster an once of simpathy whatsoever and my instincts just tell me to stab him repeatedly.

Edit: And oh yeah, forgot to mention:

This kid should be put to death or face 50 years to life.

Saying "oh, he seems so normal and it's so sad because he's shocked." is pretty rediculous. He himself said "I don't know why I wanted to kill them, I just felt like killing someone" If he was on drugs, or was abused by his family, then it would seem less horrific, but he even said "I only killed them because I hate their tone of voice when then speak"

This kid is most likely a sociopath, or plays too many violent videogames.

(I'm just intolerant of people like him, I wouldn't lose my shit over anything else btw)
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen View Post
This kid is most likely a sociopath, or plays too many violent videogames.

You still believe that shit?
He killed family period has nothing to do with violent video games.
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Originally Posted by NormalCitizen View Post
I'm not exempt from my statement hahaha. But nah, kids murdering their family for no apparent reason is my one pet peeve. I can't even begin to muster an once of simpathy whatsoever and my instincts just tell me to stab him repeatedly.

Edit: And oh yeah, forgot to mention:

This kid should be put to death or face 50 years to life.

Saying "oh, he seems so normal and it's so sad because he's shocked." is pretty rediculous. He himself said "I don't know why I wanted to kill them, I just felt like killing someone" If he was on drugs, or was abused by his family, then it would seem less horrific, but he even said "I only killed them because I hate their tone of voice when then speak"

This kid is most likely a sociopath, or plays too many violent videogames.

(I'm just intolerant of people like him, I wouldn't lose my shit over anything else btw)

That's your one pet peeve, huh?

At what point in the conversation did the kid say that violent video games had an effect on what he did? I don't know if you listened to the audio tape or not, but I'm pretty sure that kid had major psychological problems, and he felt like his family was "constricting" him, as he says during the conversation. There obviously were reasons for him murdering his mom and sister, whether or not it be about them or something else. He didn't kill them because of "the tone of voice when they speak", he didn't even talk about tone of voice. He mentioned a lot about racism with his sister, as well as probably arguments, a lot of hatred, etc.

This kid deserves punishment and rehabilitation, yes, but repeatedly stabbing him with a knife is a bit overboard.. I guess in the world of Zayex where your one pet peeve is "kids murdering their family for no apparent reason", that makes sense.

Originally Posted by sham View Post
Gosh, that is painful. I listened to the whole thing, and its really heart-breaking.

I've read a bit about it and it seems like he was pretty normal prior to this.

I definitely do not support him being tortured or sentenced to death. I don't know if I believe in the death penalty, but this kid just needs help.

Rehabilitation and jail time would probably be fine. (I hope)

I agree with you completely. He doesn't need to be thrown into the prison life or anything like that, he needs psychological rehabilitation and a lot of mental help.
Last edited by Faint; Oct 9, 2012 at 05:45 AM.
Originally Posted by Daxx View Post
You still believe that shit?

Originally Posted by kball View Post
He killed family period has nothing to do with violent video games.

Originally Posted by Faint View Post
That's your one pet peeve, huh?

At what point in the conversation did the kid say that violent video games had an effect on what he did? I don't know if you listened to the audio tape or not, but I'm pretty sure that kid had major psychological problems, and he felt like his family was "constricting" him, as he says during the conversation. There obviously were reasons for him murdering his mom and sister, whether or not it be about them or something else. He didn't kill them because of "the tone of voice when they speak", he didn't even talk about tone of voice. He mentioned a lot about racism with his sister, as well as probably arguments, a lot of hatred, etc.

This kid deserves punishment and rehabilitation, yes, but repeatedly stabbing him with a knife is a bit overboard.. I guess in the world of Zayex where your one pet peeve is "kids murdering their family for no apparent reason", that makes sense.

Just to prove a point.

Violent videogames make you desensitized to violence and death, and conditioned to brutally murdering another creature. Chances are, someone who plays gears of war all day is more likely to not be affected by the consequences of murder than someone who is a flower child.

And just because he feels his family is "consricting him" does not in any way give him the right to murder them in cold blood.

He murdered two innocent people, and you think he needs rehabilitation? For all we know, his mom told him to clean his room too many times, and that's what did it. The article says they were a very reknown and respected family. (They live in a damn gated community, he was not in a ghetto family abuse situation) If somebody walked into your house and killed your family, would you really want them to be "rehabilitated"?

People can snap at any time; just because he was normal, young, confused, and feels remorseful, that does not mean he is exempt for his crimes. I don't think you all understand the severity of capital murder. One of my friends had a friend, who always seemed normal, albeit a bit shy. One day he went to school with a magnum and shot 2 students (1 may have died I think). Just because somebody may have called him names.


I think the justice system is pathetic, I don't want a society of reformed criminals. It only sems fair that his life should end after ending the lives of a middle-aged woman and a young teenage girl. Eye for an eye policy.

Edit: Like I said before, the boy said "It didn't matter who I killed, I just felt like killing. Also because I hate the way people talk in negative tones" and "I didn't want them to feel pain, I wanted it to be over fast. It's like everything went wrong" He also said he shot his mom 4 times, and his sister twice.


Edit: Oh yeah, @Faint: If I didn't listen to the audio file, I wouldn't have commented.
Last edited by NormalCitizen; Oct 9, 2012 at 07:49 AM.
Originally Posted by Faint View Post
I agree with you completely. He doesn't need to be thrown into the prison life or anything like that, he needs psychological rehabilitation and a lot of mental help.

I agree, throwing him in prison wouldn't be the right thing to do. He obviously has mental issues because nobody would kill their family like he did. It's quite obvious that he regrets doing what he did due to the fact that he was in a shocked state (you could tell he was if you listened to his tone of voice during the conversation). Definatley not a death penalty, lol.
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen View Post
I have zero tolerance for these type of people. And honestly, I would take joy in torturing this kid.

I'm disgusted with humanity, and this is proof to how our advanced brains make us a truly terrible species. Other animals don't have the mental capacity to be "good" or "evil" or "crazy". They're mostly kind to eachother, unless threatened.

I think this is a prime example of how disgusting humans are.

Yes, I agree with you NormalCitizen. Because we humans have an advanced thinking ability, we can do really crazy but good things like giving your life for someone, but we can also do the most heinous and evil things.

Allow me to bring up the topic of Chimpanzees and Bonobos. We humans are very related to both apes but are more related to Chimps and they're known for being very violent creatures, fighting for leadership and being very agressive. The less known Bonobos are much "nicer" to one another and they would rather have sex to resolve conflicts(it's true no malice intended) rather than try fight.

Here's something from http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li.../l_073_03.html

How did bonobos, which live in humid forests south of the Zaire River, evolve such a different social structure from chimpanzees since the two species split about 2 million years ago? Male dominance plays a big role in chimp society. Disputes are often resolved by threatening displays or by fighting. Female chimps lead a life much more solitary than that their bonobo cousins, and are sometimes harassed by the much larger males. Sex is strictly about reproduction, and reproductive tactics can include infanticide -- the killing of offspring unrelated to a male chimp. Infanticidal individuals remove potential competitors to their own offspring, and the mother, without an infant to care for, will become available for mating again much sooner.

In contrast, bonobo society is marked by the strong bonds that develop between unrelated females and by almost constant sexual activity amongst all members of a group. Bonobos apparently use sex to reinforce bonds within the group and to resolve conflict. What evolutionary advantages do these behaviors offer?
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