Originally Posted by Turtlenecks
But yeah, since there isn't really any science to back either sides and it's just our opinions, I think we've probably taken this as far as it can go.
Actually this may surprise you, but BoredPayne isn't the first person to ask these questions.
Google "identity development" in to scholar and then you can read some papers.
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow
Actually this may surprise you, but BoredPayne isn't the first person to ask these questions.
Google "identity development" in to scholar and then you can read some papers.
So? For every paper he could bring up, I could find another two to argue the exact opposite. Given that it's a social science, it's unlikely that there's any consensus amongst academics.
That's in general for this topic. Ray and I weren't even discussing identity development, we were just arguing semantics. If you weren't so keen to jump on every sentence I write in these forums, then you might've noticed that.
Originally Posted by Turtlenecks
So? For every paper he could bring up, I could find another two to argue the exact opposite. Given that it's a social science, it's unlikely that there's any consensus amongst academics.
That's in general for this topic. Ray and I weren't even discussing identity development, we were just arguing semantics. If you weren't so keen to jump on every sentence I write in these forums, then you might've noticed that.
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I was quoting from this post
Originally Posted by Turtlenecks
That's where we differ. You believe those traits identify our identities, I believe our our experiences identify our traits which identify our identities.
Reading that out loud, the word's lost all meaning, lol.
But yeah, since there isn't really any science to back either sides and it's just our opinions, I think we've probably taken this as far as it can go.
Traits != experiences
If you read some papers on identity development you will understand pretty quickly.
It's a pretty developed field you know...
You shouldn't decide "there's too many to read so I won't read any".
Develop would've been the better word for me to use, rather than identify. Experiences develop traits.
As for you assuming I haven't done any research into the topic, I have. What I said regarding the abundance of case studies and papers on the topic for both sides is valid, you just ignored that point because you know that too. But, instead of just accepting that and moving on, like anybody over the age of 15 would, you act like a dick and berate me.
You shouldn't decide "Oh, I've got nothing to add? I'll just harass him".
Funny thing this time though, is that we actually agree on the topic. We both think it's probably a combination of our experiences (nurture) and genetics (nature). I don't know why he decided to come on all agressive with this one, but I'm not just going to roll over and let him swing his dick around.
As for you assuming I haven't done any research into the topic, I have. What I said regarding the abundance of case studies and papers on the topic for both sides is valid, you just ignored that point because you know that too. But, instead of just accepting that and moving on, like anybody over the age of 15 would, you act like a dick and berate me.
You shouldn't decide "Oh, I've got nothing to add? I'll just harass him".
Originally Posted by Regent101
I swear to god Turtlenecks and Cow are always looking to prove eachother wrong. It is always entertaining.
Funny thing this time though, is that we actually agree on the topic. We both think it's probably a combination of our experiences (nurture) and genetics (nature). I don't know why he decided to come on all agressive with this one, but I'm not just going to roll over and let him swing his dick around.
Last edited by Turtlenecks; Feb 3, 2013 at 10:40 AM.
Originally Posted by Turtlenecks
Funny thing this time though, is that we actually agree on the topic. We both think it's probably a combination of our experiences (nurture) and genetics (nature). I don't know why he decided to come on all agressive with this one, but I'm not just going to roll over and let him swing his dick around.
It's because it's not a matter of opinion. It is a combination of nature and nurture.
I don't know why you are reducing centuries of scientific study to opinions...
