Originally Posted by
Oracle
Ever thought that maybe existence of matter didn't suddenly come out of nowhere, and that it was there all along? You assume that there is nothing first, which is the first fundamental flaw of religious logic. It assumed there was nothing, so therefore something had to create something. But if matter is a constant, then the need for something to create matter is non-existent.
So to say that god created everything, you would first have to prove that there was indeed actually nothing at some point. And you would have to prove that it would be impossible otherwise for matter to have arisen from such an environment without the influence of a god. AND you would have to disprove the paradox of, if nothing existed, then a god should not exist either. AND you would then have to explain why a god would suddenly be created out of nothing before matter would (quite frankly, the nothing-to-matter jump is a lot more plausible than the nothing-to-supernatural-being-to-matter jump). Needless to say, your work is cut out for you.
You can't start an argument for religion and then use religion to prove your religion is right. That's circular logic at its worst. You have to be able to prove that your religion can be validated outside of it's own existence. Simply put, you can't say religion is right because religion says it's right.
And @JayStar abnormality does not mean it is wrong. Albinos are abnormal because they don't produce any melanin. However, nobody in their right mind goes around saying albinos are sins against god or illogical. Likewise, homosexuality is just a different reaction in the brain to different stimuli. In this case, it causes a pleasurable or arousing reaction to stimuli from people of the same gender. In fact, this type of reaction is visible even in heterosexuals, albeit on a smaller scale. It results in camaraderie, and it's an important reaction for humans to have, otherwise we would have been wiped out because of our impotence outside of a group.
Genius. Stop being so smart everywhere.
Originally Posted by Oracle
So to say that god created everything, you would first have to prove that there was indeed actually nothing at some point. And you would have to prove that it would be impossible otherwise for matter to have arisen from such an environment without the influence of a god. AND you would have to disprove the paradox of, if nothing existed, then a god should not exist either. AND you would then have to explain why a god would suddenly be created out of nothing before matter would (quite frankly, the nothing-to-matter jump is a lot more plausible than the nothing-to-supernatural-being-to-matter jump).
That's obviously assuming that God would be made of matter. Nothing anywhere in any text(including the Bibel) states that God is made of matter. Being made of nothing is implausible though, and impossible, since nothing and brings into question the fact that thought cannot simply appear. A logical being has to have thoughts. All beings as far as we are aware of are made of matter, which shows that a beings made of nothing, wouldn't be a being at all. And all animate objects with thoughts are technically considered beings.
Matter appearing out of nothing is theoretically possible. If you look into anti-matter, an annihilation could theoretically create matter from nothing. We all know the Big Bang was the expansion of the universe which was caused by a massive explosion. The mass-energy equivalence is equal to the energy produced by anti-matter/matter contact(annihilation). Since mass is frozen energy, the vacuum of emptiness we could assume was the state before the universe existed would be infinitely cold, possibly cold enough to freeze energy. That being said, anti-matter/matter annihilations could disprove the existence of God, assuming we could figure out where the anti-matter/matter came from. We could also be a giant experiment formulated by giant beings living in an even larger universe then ours, or we could be in an infinite loophole of multiverses within which each one causes another universe to be created, continuing the cycle. We don't know, and we probably never will.
Refer to above two paragraphs for more detail.
Everything comes from somewhere, so things coming from nothing is highly improbable. For something to be created by something else, that thing needs thought, which is impossible if nothing exists.
Read above thingy again. Pretty much that same argument all over again.
Matter is generally required for life, so beings appearing without thought or matter is scientifically impossible.
Yay Science.