As you all have probably seen or heard or read somewhere, there are domestic violence scandals blowing up all over the NFL, along with the child abuse scandals recently with Adrian Peterson and Jonathan Dwyer. many people are calling for the commissioner to step down, and for something to be done about this corrupt organization. Your thoughts? (Also, new information: The Ravens knew about the Ray Rice video in detail within hours of the attack)

So is the NFL itself encouraging or enabling child abuse and violence? Or is it just the players?

Most of the players come from "at risk" demographics in the first place remember...

they aren't encouraging it but when they discover said abuse and violence they just try to hush it up. First of all i don't think Peterson really deserved what he got, considering its legal to paddle people in schools in my state. IM not saying the encourage it but they need to act on it instead of turning a blind eye

Did you ever consider that perhaps they choose to turn a blind eye, because despite the fact that they are a huge organization, it is somewhat rude to ban a player because of something that happens in their personal life.

That would be like if you got expelled from school for smoking weed outside of school alone.
It just doesn't really work that way. When you think about it, domestic violence does happen in a lot, it's only when someone famous does it that everyone gets all worked up and blows it way out of proportion.
Shit happens is what I say. Get over it and move on

It's also rude to punch your wife. It's also not private if you punch your wife in a public elevator. It's also not private if the police get involved and draw up an incident report saying that somebody punched their wife, the person who punched their wife tells you in a meeting they punched their wife, and you see video of said person punching their wife, and you then go on to try to cover it up, and then punish it lightly when it does finally arise.


Domestic abuse is a problem in a lot of households, but they're not public events when they get discovered because the households in question are not already in the public's eye. When you become a public figurehead in any situation, CEO, politician, performer, athlete, your private life is already going to become the focus of the public whether you like it or not. It's the price of being a public figure. And if your private life happens to constitute hitting your wife or child, then be prepared for the public backlash because, just in case you didn't realize it, hitting family members with little reason other than asserting authority is generally frowned upon, particularly if you inflict visible harm on to the person.

True, I guess what you think should be done also depends on where you stand on how severe domestic abuse is. It happened to me, but it's not like it's something that will literally change your life forever or mentally scar you. You get over it, eventually you do realize that things like this happen everyday and either way; cuts and bruises heal, it's hardly permanent, unless it's ridiculously severe, which it wasn't in most of the cases (not sure, i didn't really follow them).
I'm not saying it's not bad, or that it's good, but I also think that it's been blown up to be far worse then it actually is. Don't forget that just decades ago, back in the like 50's and stuff, this kind of thing was pretty much the norm. Perfectly acceptable back then. Most people have never experienced it because people's perspectives on how to raise kids have changed, so then they don't really understand the severity(or lack thereof) of somethings.
It's one of those things that you really have to experience to understand. Being told that hitting a child/your wife is bad is obvious, but still, being a public figure doesn't necessarily mean you should lose your job. They're just people, and they're undergoing shame already for what they did. Simply because you've got crowds of people with a certain mindset about something yelling that something has to be done, it doesn't mean the entire country sees it that way.

To sum up, quit making a massive deal about shit that happens simply because they're celebrities. It may be public and rude and pretty terrible, but that doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Drugs are illegal, but plenty of celebrities use them, people know they use them, and generally, people don't give a shit. Should be the same concept with everything. If you plan on doing something that's frowned upon/illegal, don't be an idiot about it and do it publicly, or blow the fuck out of the situation when something does happen.

People do lose their jobs for domestic abuse, even if they aren't a public figure. Domestic abuse that gets reported is a criminal act, and it gets relayed to employers when it occurs. Prison time is not uncommon for it, and employers tend to not hold on to employees who have records.

And just because something was acceptable in the past doesn't make it acceptable now. Using that logic I should still be able to own slaves, kill my children if they're disobedient, or acquire a wife by kidnapping and raping her.

And most domestic violence are repeat events. If the perpetrator is feeling any shame, it certainly isn't stopping them.


And your last comment is what makes this important to stress. I'm not concerned because a celebrity hit his wife/son. I'm concerned because a person hit his wife/son and people act like this is something unimportant. It's irrelevant who the perpetrator is, domestic abuse and corporal punishment are crimes and antiquated beliefs, respectively, which are blatantly detractive and are proven to be detrimental to the victims.


And on that similar vein, it's the same way with drugs. I don't care who is doing them, I care that somebody is doing them. The prominence of a person makes the disapproval have a visible target, but don't mistake it for a disapproval because of the person, it's still disapproval of the act.

In a perfect world I agree with this. It's unrelated to his job so why would he be fired because of it. In almost any job this is the way it works - you can't fire something for something that does not impact their job.

But considering the amount of activists there are these days, they will lobby and protest and make a huge problem. I know it's cancerous to start giving in to these people, but I can see why it's the easiest course of action.


You can get fired just for being accused of domestic violence? I think that's a problem.

Sure an employer can make decisions based on their own opinions, but personally I think that criminal matters should be pursued by the appropriate authority.

Apart from, in this case, perpetuating sexism, what is the benefit in prematurely acting without regards to actual legal proceedings?


Well firstly don't misrepresent it, she hit him first. If you think she is justified in hitting him because he spat at her (regardless of what made him do that), then surely you think it's justified for him to hit her since she hit him...

Also, it's not important to me. It does not affect anyone who is not directly involved. Sure I wish there was no domestic violence, but when someone is reported for domestic violence, why should that make it important to me? The police have the footage, they can lay charges and whatever else.

This is all a hunk of bull shit. The NFL org. were the ones who turned the footage in to the authorities. Nothing should be done, just kick them out of the NFL, and through them in jail. End of story.

I think that it shouldn't change one bit, just because an NFL player commits these crimes doesn't mean that the head man of the NFL should be given the responsibility to punish said person. However, if the team goes a head and cuts him for doing such things then that decision is on them.

The judge should have to decide whether or not he can continue to play, having the commissioner deal with this, on top of the police is wrong.