Getting kind of sick of people just linking random links and expecting that to suffice as an argument.
No, it doesn't.
It directly supports my argument. Compare group 2 and group 3 on bench-press and squatting exercises. Group 3 have an 11% better improvement than group 2 at bench-press (comparatively), and NEARLY DOUBLE the improvement at squatting than group 2 (again, comparatively).
This ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMS MY ARGUMENT.
Please DrHax, at least read your links before posting!!!!!!!
Just doing your normal everyday things is not exercise.
We are talking about exercise as specific training. If ancient cavemen trained their sprinting, practiced throwing spears at targets, etc, then maybe we can say it was like a naive ancient form of exercise.
But it's absurd to compare something like that to modern training methods and the sheer volume of training.
Drugs have existed in aboriginal times in many civilizations though. Perhaps we should allow drugs only for them?
Originally Posted by DrHax
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
This scientific study disagrees with you.
No, it doesn't.
It directly supports my argument. Compare group 2 and group 3 on bench-press and squatting exercises. Group 3 have an 11% better improvement than group 2 at bench-press (comparatively), and NEARLY DOUBLE the improvement at squatting than group 2 (again, comparatively).
This ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMS MY ARGUMENT.
Please DrHax, at least read your links before posting!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Dscigs
Same principle, different methods.
I doubt it was any easier for cavemen to kill mammoths or sabre-teeth. Or any easier for African tribes to hunt elephants now a days.
As well, not all civilizations have used drugs. We don't see any during aboriginal times or the revolution. As well as none during the stone and dark ages.
Just doing your normal everyday things is not exercise.
We are talking about exercise as specific training. If ancient cavemen trained their sprinting, practiced throwing spears at targets, etc, then maybe we can say it was like a naive ancient form of exercise.
But it's absurd to compare something like that to modern training methods and the sheer volume of training.
Drugs have existed in aboriginal times in many civilizations though. Perhaps we should allow drugs only for them?
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Just doing your normal everyday things is not exercise.
We are talking about exercise as specific training. If ancient cavemen trained their sprinting, practiced throwing spears at targets, etc, then maybe we can say it was like a naive ancient form of exercise.
But it's absurd to compare something like that to modern training methods and the sheer volume of training.
Drugs have existed in aboriginal times in many civilizations though. Perhaps we should allow drugs only for them?
All of humanity has had to train to get better, the only difference now is that some people do it for entertainment and not survival and we have better technology to do it with. Training is still training; no matter the amount of time put in.
Just because we spend hundreds of hours running or practicing archery, do you think it was any easier for any civilizations before us? They had to do the same thing.
I just said that not all civilizations have used drugs for training purposes. Nothing else, so you might want to stop taking points that don't exist in statements.
Originally Posted by Dscigs
All of humanity has had to train to get better, the only difference now is that some people do it for entertainment and not survival and we have better technology to do it with. Training is still training; no matter the amount of time put in.
Just because we spend hundreds of hours running or practicing archery, do you think it was any easier for any civilizations before us? They had to do the same thing.
I just said that not all civilizations have used drugs for training purposes. Nothing else, so you might want to stop taking points that don't exist in statements.
You said training is fine because most civilizations trained, well most civilizations used drugs so by your logic shouldn't drugs be allowed?
I don't really see the point of limiting ourselves to neolithic technology, what does this even accomplish?
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
You said training is fine because most civilizations trained, well most civilizations used drugs so by your logic shouldn't drugs be allowed?
I don't really see the point of limiting ourselves to neolithic technology, what does this even accomplish?
I was merely pointing out that drugs and extreme workout technologies are not the only avenues you can possibly take, as some people seem to think. I'm saying it's the actual training that makes a difference.
Steroids can help, and there's no difference between using them because it's essentially at it's simplest just super-packed bacon. In competitions they should be banned, to give everyone a fair chance at winning. Most probably the guy who trains and takes steroids will be able to win out over the guy who doesn't take steroids because one guy is building muscle mass far more quickly then the other.
Originally Posted by Dscigs
I was merely pointing out that drugs and extreme workout technologies are not the only avenues you can possibly take, as some people seem to think. I'm saying it's the actual training that makes a difference.
Steroids can help, and there's no difference between using them because it's essentially at it's simplest just super-packed bacon. In competitions they should be banned, to give everyone a fair chance at winning. Most probably the guy who trains and takes steroids will be able to win out over the guy who doesn't take steroids because one guy is building muscle mass far more quickly then the other.
So can't someone who wants to be "natural" just take a bit longer to build muscle mass then? What's the problem with that?
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
