Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Does ownership of guns inherently make you a murderer? How come other countries can own guns and not have astronomical crime rates? This suggests it's a problem with the culture in USA.
Remember we are talking about gun laws in general, not just the USA.
And remember this thread is not about how to solve gun crime it is about what gun laws should be. I agree that the fastest way to stop people doing something is to stop kids growing up into that sort of person but this is not really what this thread is about. You are telling us how a society can reduce crime in general while the Thread Starter didn't mention crime, although gun crime and gun accidents are the only reason that gun laws need to be in place.
So is your argument that if society was improved gun restrictions could be much more relaxed? because this sort of makes sense, and does show that gun laws should be based on the society they apply too rather than there being a universal set of laws which work for every nation. If so then this is a relevant argument but nevertheless, try to focus on specific gun law rather than just general societal problems and crime rates.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by protonitron
Remember we are talking about gun laws in general, not just the USA.
Well, that's harder to respond to since each country has a different society so they need different laws.
Originally Posted by protonitron
And remember this thread is not about how to solve gun crime it is about what gun laws should be. I agree that the fastest way to stop people doing something is to stop kids growing up into that sort of person but this is not really what this thread is about. You are telling us how a society can reduce crime in general while the Thread Starter didn't mention crime, although gun crime and gun accidents are the only reason that gun laws need to be in place.
What other reason is there to have laws other than to stop crime?
If you ask me what gun laws should be in a perfect world, there shouldn't be any.
Originally Posted by protonitron
So is your argument that if society was improved gun restrictions could be much more relaxed? because this sort of makes sense, and does show that gun laws should be based on the society they apply too rather than there being a universal set of laws which work for every nation. If so then this is a relevant argument but nevertheless, try to focus on specific gun law rather than just general societal problems and crime rates.
Yes, that's exactly it. A responsible society doesn't need gun laws, one that is irresponsible needs laws that are strictly enforced.
The point of laws is to enforce morality and fairness. If a society already has positive values, then there's no need to have those laws.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
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