Originally Posted by Ele
It really makes me angry that you can sit there, be all smug, and say 'I don't see it' when all it takes is the smallest amount of effort and inclination to look it up.
Ah but I did look it up, I even linked sources.
Originally Posted by Ele
That said, Islam's judicial system, Sharia law, absoultely tramples over any rights that would've been afforded to women (in the UDHR, if most Muslims countries bothered to participate in it). Read this, if you aren't too lazy/are actually genuinely keen to learn and be a part of this discussion. Read that, and tell me again, that you still can't possibly see that the Islamic code of law, Sharia, doesn't deny women rights.
These seem like some pretty average things to complain about.
>lesser inheritance
>modesty law
>male head of house instead of woman
Ignoring that they specifically talk about wahabist countries, it's pretty poor form to complain about something as mild as that.
Also, maybe you should do some research?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...f_Human_Rights
"Most Islamic countries have signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights"
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
"Most Islamic countries have signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights"
Then they go on to say that the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_D...ights_in_Islam
^
"Article 24 of the declaration states: "All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Sharia." Article 19 also says: "There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia.""
^So you can still get stoned for sleeping around. Yay.
Also, signing a paper and actually adhering by it is a different cake alltogether.
Last edited by ynvaser; Jan 12, 2015 at 12:09 PM.
ynvaser, let's stop referring to them as ragheads.
It shows how dishonest you are that you leave out;
"A woman becomes subservient to her husband and needs his permission to: "leave the house, take up employment, or to engage in fasting or forms of worship other than what is obligatory."
An unmarried woman is under the guardianship of her nearest male relative."
No wait. You're right. You've researched your position thoroughly. Women are totally on equal footing with men under Sharia. You're embarrassing yourself.
No. Sharia =/= wahhabism. They're talking about Sharia law. Many countries (with low numbers of wahhabists (basically any country outside the Arabic Pennisula)) have Sharia as the primary law. And I don't see how wahhabist countries having Sharia discredits the fact that women have less rights under it.
I'm going to love this. You're the one that needs to do their research. Since 2000, the (57!) members of the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Cooperation) have decided to to abandon the UDHR and follow their own Cairo Declaration - which is modified to fit in acccordance with Sharia. Wiki so helpfully sums it up as "reaffirming the inequalities inherent in Islamic law and tradition in terms of religion, gender, sexuality". YOU do the research.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
These seem like some pretty average things to complain about.
>lesser inheritance
>modesty law
>male head of house instead of woman
It shows how dishonest you are that you leave out;
"A woman becomes subservient to her husband and needs his permission to: "leave the house, take up employment, or to engage in fasting or forms of worship other than what is obligatory."
An unmarried woman is under the guardianship of her nearest male relative."
No wait. You're right. You've researched your position thoroughly. Women are totally on equal footing with men under Sharia. You're embarrassing yourself.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Ignoring that they specifically talk about wahabist countries
No. Sharia =/= wahhabism. They're talking about Sharia law. Many countries (with low numbers of wahhabists (basically any country outside the Arabic Pennisula)) have Sharia as the primary law. And I don't see how wahhabist countries having Sharia discredits the fact that women have less rights under it.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Also, maybe you should do some research?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...f_Human_Rights
"Most Islamic countries have signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights"
I'm going to love this. You're the one that needs to do their research. Since 2000, the (57!) members of the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Cooperation) have decided to to abandon the UDHR and follow their own Cairo Declaration - which is modified to fit in acccordance with Sharia. Wiki so helpfully sums it up as "reaffirming the inequalities inherent in Islamic law and tradition in terms of religion, gender, sexuality". YOU do the research.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 12, 2015 at 11:17 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele
It shows how dishonest you are that you leave out;
"A woman becomes subservient to her husband and needs his permission to: "leave the house, take up employment, or to engage in fasting or forms of worship other than what is obligatory."
An unmarried woman is under the guardianship of her nearest male relative."
No wait. You're right. You've researched your position thoroughly. Women are totally on equal footing with men under Sharia. You're embarrassing yourself.
Though I never said they were on equal footing, if you think it's honest to strawman so blatantly but dishonest to disagree then I think your moral compass is completely wack.
The specific restriction you quote is more or less what any parent expects of their child. Are children being oppressed?
Originally Posted by Ele
No. Sharia =/= wahhabism. They're talking about Sharia law. Many countries (with low numbers of wahhabists (basically any country outside the Arabic Pennisula)) have Sharia as the primary law. And I don't see how wahhabist countries having Sharia discredits the fact that women have less rights under it.
Ignoring that you randomly took that quote out of context, you are right, sharia is different to wahabism.
GOOD WORK.
Originally Posted by Ele
I'm going to love this. You're the one that needs to do their research. Since 2000, the (57!) members of the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Cooperation) have decided to to abandon the UDHR and follow their own Cairo Declaration - which is modified to fit in acccordance with Sharia. Wiki so helpfully sums it up as "reaffirming the inequalities inherent in Islamic law and tradition in terms of religion, gender, sexuality". YOU do the research.
Islam was invented in 2000?!
Or maybe it's not actually Islam you have a problem with, you just don't know it.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Islam was invented in 2000?!
Or maybe it's not actually Islam you have a problem with, you just don't know it.
According to many followers of it, it may well have been. People suggesting only certain parts of the quran apply in modern times and whatnot.
You know, idiots. People who take the word of a several thousand year old desert survival guide as gospel aren't exactly the brightest either, but it's really hard to accept what is essentially "a guide to etiquette and morals in the desert" as anything but.
Being Albanian, just about half of my extended family is "muslim". They aren't practicing muslims, and they think the quran is a crock of shit, like many christians and jews. Do I think they and many other "muslim" people are violent? No, because most people have some sort of personal moral compass and aren't dumber than shit. Do I think Islam is violent? Yes, because of previous quotes I posted and because of the idiots who act on them.
Hoss.
