Original Post
Competitive clan mod-list discussion & ideas.
Discussion in this thread must pertain to the (now deleted) announcement in Clan Discussion and either the mod-list or the competitive platform itself. Feel free to discuss any of the following:
I was a little undecided about where the best place for this would be, so I'm going to leave it here. I don't expect people to make long, winding posts about this topic (as discussion threads normally go) but I would like to ask you all to keep any disagreements/arguments about balance/which mod is better competitively flame-free.
If you have any questions then feel free to ask but any questions which aren't in relation to the topic at hand or are fishing for leaked information will deleted and/or infracted on sight. Please use your common sense, cheers!
- Mods that should be on the list & why.
- Features you'd like to see the competitive clan system support/remove
- Any forseeable issues with balance from any suggestions made.
- General discussion about your votes and why you voted for particular mods (you can change your vote once it's submitted if you are swayed).
I was a little undecided about where the best place for this would be, so I'm going to leave it here. I don't expect people to make long, winding posts about this topic (as discussion threads normally go) but I would like to ask you all to keep any disagreements/arguments about balance/which mod is better competitively flame-free.
If you have any questions then feel free to ask but any questions which aren't in relation to the topic at hand or are fishing for leaked information will deleted and/or infracted on sight. Please use your common sense, cheers!
Last edited by Gynx; Jul 27, 2015 at 05:11 PM.
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"Mods that should be on the list & why."
The reason id pick all of these is because variety is important. All of these mods differ from one another and I feel this would be the best selection of mods without giving any single clan an edge modwise.
Lenshung3: Balanced mod with high skillcap, hard to abuse.
Boxshu_mushu: Balanced mod with high skillcap, hard to abuse. imho one of the most viable long tf mods (wushu players dont jump on this right away)
Erthtkv2: More balanced than tk (less random because of 120dm and 15 grav). Top players can and will streak worse players. one of the only short tf mods left.
ABD: Easy to start hard to master, overall pretty solid competitive mod.
(Aikido or greykido: Shovel is an issue but best players can prevent it)
Judofrac: Long tf mod that has high skill floor. With bad players its a noodlefest but with better players its actually a pretty decent competitive mod.
"which mod is better competitively flame-free"
They are all different, none of them are better than the other and shouldnt be thought as such. for a complete competitive platform there has to be many mods, not just ABD.
"Features you'd like to see the competitive clan system support/remove"
Remove soloing, one good player playing against 10 is incredibly banal.
Adding other mods than just ABD in wars.
Proper elo (but that goes without saying really)
min players (about 3 I'd say)
"Any forseeable issues with balance from any suggestions made."
Not really, in a clan there should be many different kind of players, not just abd/tk/wushu etcetc. Also in order to measure clan skill many of the players have to be able to perform, not just one.
The reason id pick all of these is because variety is important. All of these mods differ from one another and I feel this would be the best selection of mods without giving any single clan an edge modwise.
Lenshung3: Balanced mod with high skillcap, hard to abuse.
Boxshu_mushu: Balanced mod with high skillcap, hard to abuse. imho one of the most viable long tf mods (wushu players dont jump on this right away)
Erthtkv2: More balanced than tk (less random because of 120dm and 15 grav). Top players can and will streak worse players. one of the only short tf mods left.
ABD: Easy to start hard to master, overall pretty solid competitive mod.
(Aikido or greykido: Shovel is an issue but best players can prevent it)
Judofrac: Long tf mod that has high skill floor. With bad players its a noodlefest but with better players its actually a pretty decent competitive mod.
"which mod is better competitively flame-free"
They are all different, none of them are better than the other and shouldnt be thought as such. for a complete competitive platform there has to be many mods, not just ABD.
"Features you'd like to see the competitive clan system support/remove"
Remove soloing, one good player playing against 10 is incredibly banal.
Adding other mods than just ABD in wars.
Proper elo (but that goes without saying really)
min players (about 3 I'd say)
"Any forseeable issues with balance from any suggestions made."
Not really, in a clan there should be many different kind of players, not just abd/tk/wushu etcetc. Also in order to measure clan skill many of the players have to be able to perform, not just one.
Last edited by cowmeat; Jul 20, 2015 at 02:52 AM.
Cows response in full
he has some wonderful points that are made in this response and i agree with most of it.
I hope to believe that this new system will take care of some of the less useful mods, and making the more competitive mods available to have among the ranking system.
as one of my clans leaders i only hope and wish for the best for my members. i hope this list will provide some ACTUAL feel of skill development after warring someone instead of just to be in it for the points.
Last edited by Fates; Jul 20, 2015 at 03:47 AM.
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Originally Posted by cowmeat
They are all different, none of them are better than the other and shouldnt be thought as such. for a complete competitive platform there has to be many mods, not just ABD.
Seems as though we agree on something, huh? ;) I agree with this though discussions in the Council were met with plenty of disagreements. Some people consider those mods less skill based, thus less competitive as a result. I'm not sure I agree.
Originally Posted by cowmeat
"Features you'd like to see the competitive clan system support/remove"
Remove soloing, one good player playing against 10 is incredibly banal.
Adding other mods than just ABD in wars.
Proper elo (but that goes without saying really)
min players (about 3 I'd say)
I can confirm solo wars are being looked at, which goes hand and hand with minimum players. Having a proper elo system, or any sort of means of discerning clan skill, is a top priority for us.
Originally Posted by cowmeat
"Any forseeable issues with balance from any suggestions made."
Not really, in a clan there should be many different kind of players, not just abd/tk/wushu etcetc. Also in order to measure clan skill many of the players have to be able to perform, not just one.
Agreed. We are looking to address the reuse of single mods over and over again (ad nauseum) in a competitive setting (as is currently done in clan wars), there is going to be an incentive to actually play multiple mods on this mod-list.
Originally Posted by Fates
I hope to believe that this new system will take care of some of the less useful mods, and making the more competitive mods available to have among the ranking system.
Mind explaining this point a little better?
Originally Posted by Fates
as one of my clans leaders i only hope and wish for the best for my members. i hope this list will provide some ACTUAL feel of skill development after warring someone instead of just to be in it for the points.
That's the goal! If we can give you a platform that rewards you for being active, improving and eventually becoming the best, we've succeeded. It's going to be tough and perhaps a work in progress but we're definitely headed in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by Gynx
Seems as though we agree on something, huh? ;) I agree with this though discussions in the Council were met with plenty of disagreements. Some people consider those mods less skill based, thus less competitive as a result. I'm not sure I agree.
Well it is true that objectively looking ABD might be the most competitive mod. But being the most competitive in the end in meaningless. For example in LoL, having one champion and one lane, playing 1v1 is more competitive in a sense than 5v5 with 120 champions since that brings inherit unbalances to the game. But would LoL be a better game if there was only one champion and one lane where everything would be down to pure mechanics? totally not.
Same goes for this game. As in LoL, where different champions fit different players, same goes for mods in this game. The variety of mods brings most variety of players to the competitive scene, if you limit the mods radically for competition, you are going to lose the people who are actually really good and dedicated to other mods. For example if there is no erthtk or tk in the modlist, I think I might skip on on the whole thing. Same goes for lenshu for some etc.
If you only bring one or two mods to the rankings, then its just who is the best best ABD clan. And tbh, I dont think thats worth much in the grandiose scale.
Last edited by cowmeat; Jul 20, 2015 at 01:05 PM.
