Do you know how many 0's a trillion has ?
We're not talking about other countries and it's irrelevant, the thread is about the USA, probably because their military presence in those countries is redundant and in the center of the conflicts. Tho, we did mention a few other western countries because the USA isn't the only country in that position and taking advantage of the complicated geopolitic situation of the middle-east, indeed.
Still they have a debt they'll never be able to repay, the american people suffer the consequences of a ruthless and uncontrolled financial system while the government spends trillions on the US army in order to control ressources in a region they (and other western countries) fucked up.

Originally Posted by Divine

Next you just go on the make assumptions without having any real arguments. If were at war against a terrorist group or defending an ally were going to station troops in those places. Yes we may take advantage of the national resources and that may persuade us to go over there, but were going to station troops where were defending allies or at war, its not that difficult of a concept.

How is making a shit tone of money when you control large amount of ressources an assumption ?
And that's where you miss the point I think : they do not "defend their allies" and "ho look, some oil, maybe we could take a little" ; those countries are their "allied" precisely because there are a shitload of natural ressources in that area, ressources that USA don't have. They WANT those ressources. That's why they make allies and use pretexts to occupy the region.

Originally Posted by Divine

The government uses terrorism as a strawman? Do you really even know what a strawman is? Terrorism isnt a fucking argument, that can be set up. Them literally coming over to us and openly physically attacking us isnt a fucking argument bud. They literally started the war, and then we took the war to them. We're not going in to make peace, were going in because were at war. The end goal is peace but the current goal is beating them in the war.

I didn't say a "strawman argument", I said "a strawman", the fake human-shapped thingy made with straw we put in fields to scare birds (people, in my poor analogy). I'm not saying terrorism is fake tho, I'm saying they use it to scare people and forge an emotional opinion.

They started the war ? You'll have to give some solid sources for that one. If you're talking about 9/11, I invite you to make some research and find out the military presence of the US in those regions goes way back, wayyy before 2001.

Originally Posted by Divine

We have several allies thanks, and seeing as the middle east is a high conflict zone we have troops over there constantly to defend them.

That's not how it works. They didn't make alliances because they like them and put military bases there in order to gently help them as allies. They made "alliances" IN ORDER TO put military bases there, because the US needs those bases there, because they need those ressources. Do you know how wrong the US economy would turn without the middle-east's oil ?

Originally Posted by Divine

You ever heard of 9/11 bud? Like?......

Yes ? So if 6% of the terrorist attacks have been made by islamic extremists, have you heard of the rest ?

And even then, how is that a viable reason to be used to occupy countries and kill people who don't have anything to do with the attack which happened 14 years ago. Because emotions... It's easy to justify and legitimate everything when you use people's emotions, that doesn't make it right nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Divine

That was before they were a Islamic extremist/terrorist group and since they've turned all funding has been cut off. We funded them to help overthrow their corrupt governement but since then they've been unable to handle the power and have become corrupt themselves. You also act like the US is the only country who has done this, two other notable countries who have done something similar is Australia funding al-Shabaab and Germany funding Hamas.

They were already jihadists and extremists when they financed them, but they were usefull jihadists because they could be used to fight the soviets who invaded Afghanistan. It wasn't in order to overthrow a corrupt government, they didn't care much about Afghanistan, they cared about the Soviet Union at that time. And since they didn't care, the Taliban took the leadership of Afghanistan and shit ensued, thanks for the help. Afghanistan got fucked up and the USA financed fanatics who hate them, good job. Anyway, that's not the only time/country they messed up, I refer you to Oracle's post if you're interested in the matter.


Well you shouldn't, I'm not only adressing my answer to you but to anyone who shares that opinion, it's a discussion board not a PM exchange. Oracle wrote a pretty precise description of the situation I'm trying to show you, and there probably is much more to be told.