Originally Posted by hipotibor
I think SmallBowl was referring to the nature of the game. Can you please ellaborate on how an overly complicated game of rock-paper-scissors can be competitive / require skill ? It's like saying that Hearthstone is an actual e-sport. Skill only gets you so far when you have no idea what your opponent is going to do. It comes down to who made the right guess.
Not really no, lets look at for example the TK league I hosted. Granted it fell apart because people cant have the patience to play 2 matches a week, and my ambitions were maybe too high, but meh that's besides to point.
I won all my games and only almost lost, 5-4, to Killer336 who is considered one of the best players in the game. Sure I lost some games, but when its first to 5, the better player wins almost always. Im not arguing there are no random elements in the game, sure there are. But to say that poker isn't a viable competitive sport, just because it has random elements is just stupid. If the game is as random as you say, why was the scoreboard kind of as expected, with same people having the top stpots as expected?
TB wont be a balanced game around best of ones, that's the whole point.
With your amazing arguments we could just say "poker is random, no skill, cant be competitive"
Originally Posted by hipotibor
Or,you know, if you're that much dissatisfied with the game and the work of the Devs/Gms, why don't you just play a different game that is more tailored towards your MLG skills ?
Sadly that's been the case lately.
To Bowl:
"Also this thread is for giving suggestions on how to improve the system not to fling hate at the GM team for not getting it how you wanted first time. "
I tried that for almost a year, with many other players. We got ranked rooms with Taido. You've read the threads, there's not much to add to it. At this point I don't even care anymore about "proper feedback", you are doing a shit job when it comes to the ranked stuff and that's it. Monthly resets, taido and 3000 ranked rooms. Nobody asked for those things, yet you made them. Why are you expecting for us to give ideas when you wont listen to them. Thats just retarded.
Last edited by cowmeat; Dec 22, 2015 at 03:45 AM.
Originally Posted by cowmeat
Not really no, lets look at for example the TK league I hosted. Granted it fell apart because people cant have the patience to play 2 matches a week, and my ambitions were maybe too high, but meh that's besides to point.
I won all my games and only almost lost, 5-4, to Killer336 who is considered one of the best players in the game. Sure I lost some games, but when its first to 5, the better player wins almost always. Im not arguing there are no random elements in the game, sure there are. But to say that poker isn't a viable competitive sport, just because it has random elements is just stupid. If the game is as random as you say, why was the scoreboard kind of as expected, with same people having the top spots as expected?
TB wont be a balanced game around best of ones, that's the whole point.
With your amazing arguments we could just say "poker is random, no skill, cant be competitive"
Sadly that's been the case lately.
To Bowl:
"Also this thread is for giving suggestions on how to improve the system not to fling hate at the GM team for not getting it how you wanted first time. "
I tried that for almost a year, with many other players. We got ranked rooms with Taido. You've read the threads, there's not much to add to it. At this point I don't even care anymore about "proper feedback", you are doing a shit job when it comes to the ranked stuff and that's it. Monthly resets, taido and 3000 ranked rooms. Nobody asked for those things, yet you made them. Why are you expecting for us to give ideas when you wont listen to them. Thats just retarded.
Again im not saying im not trying, but that it isnt suited.
youve never tried speaking rationally, thats a lie. We all know the original ranked system was rushed, and didnt have all that much input many people. But what youre saying is extremely dumb when you have actually seen a suggested update with all the things you have mentioned patched. Bringing up things you know are being fixed where you have agreed with the proposed new solution and saying "look the old system is bad so all GMs are retarded and dont try or care!!!!" is pretty dumb.
I would listen to your ideas if you ever had a meanigful, constructive input rather than "this thing is bad, FUCK YOU GMS"
Last edited by SmallBowl; Dec 22, 2015 at 11:19 AM.
Reason: fixed it
Don't dm me pictures of bowls that you find attractive.
@cowmeat:
I don't know if you're aware of this, but there are actually sports in real life too. And see, in those types of sports, people rely mainly on their rigorous training and their own ability to win, not on drawing the right card or getting that random dm. Those are sports that can be called competitive.
Poker, like most other videogames, can't be called competitive(like every other card games) because of the fact that cards are dealt at random and even if you're the best poker player in the world, you might end up losing because you were dealt the crappiest hand ever due to RNG. Sure, poker requires lots of skill, mainly related to memorising and bluffing, but if there is a possibility that a random person can defeat a professional player in their own sport due to sheer luck, then that sport truly cannot be called competitive because of the huge part luck plays in it.
Expected by who? You? You've made no official statement saying who's going to take the top spots(assuming you were talking about your TK league), so that arguement is invalid. It's like me saying "Oh, I totally knew team A was gonna win" at the end of a football match when in fact I had no fucking clue and I'm just saying that to sound smart. If the players are equally experienced, than the games mostly come down to rock-paper-scissors.
And why do you even regard TK as one the most competitive mods ? As far as I remember, it has the randomest moments out of all mods, where a hit with extremely high velocity sometimes does next to no damage and makes zero dms and vice versa, a hit with extremely low velocity does miraculous damage and does more than 1 dm.
If you want something done right, do it yourself. Instead of throwing tantrums in the Discussion board every now and then, why don't you try to be a GM ? After all, you've made it sound like you'll be the best GM out there, with your unparalleled game knowledge and the fact that you're never wrong about anything.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but there are actually sports in real life too. And see, in those types of sports, people rely mainly on their rigorous training and their own ability to win, not on drawing the right card or getting that random dm. Those are sports that can be called competitive.
Poker, like most other videogames, can't be called competitive(like every other card games) because of the fact that cards are dealt at random and even if you're the best poker player in the world, you might end up losing because you were dealt the crappiest hand ever due to RNG. Sure, poker requires lots of skill, mainly related to memorising and bluffing, but if there is a possibility that a random person can defeat a professional player in their own sport due to sheer luck, then that sport truly cannot be called competitive because of the huge part luck plays in it.
Originally Posted by cowmeat
If the game is as random as you say, why was the scoreboard kind of as expected, with same people having the top stpots as expected?
Expected by who? You? You've made no official statement saying who's going to take the top spots(assuming you were talking about your TK league), so that arguement is invalid. It's like me saying "Oh, I totally knew team A was gonna win" at the end of a football match when in fact I had no fucking clue and I'm just saying that to sound smart. If the players are equally experienced, than the games mostly come down to rock-paper-scissors.
And why do you even regard TK as one the most competitive mods ? As far as I remember, it has the randomest moments out of all mods, where a hit with extremely high velocity sometimes does next to no damage and makes zero dms and vice versa, a hit with extremely low velocity does miraculous damage and does more than 1 dm.
If you want something done right, do it yourself. Instead of throwing tantrums in the Discussion board every now and then, why don't you try to be a GM ? After all, you've made it sound like you'll be the best GM out there, with your unparalleled game knowledge and the fact that you're never wrong about anything.
«
Previous Thread
|
Next Thread
»