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Born Gay
Whether sexual orientation is a trait we are born with (nature) or is caused by the environment we are raised in (nurture) has been debated by scientists, religious leaders, elected officials, and the general public.
Proponents argue that sexual orientation, much like handedness or tongue curling, is determined by natural, immutable biological factors such as genes or hormones, and therefore gay people should be entitled to the same legal rights and protections as other human beings.
Opponents argue that homosexuality is a reversible and unfortunate lifestyle choice resulting from poor child-parent relationships, sexual abuse, brainwashing by pro-gay influences, or other developmental causes. Some contend that gay people should be denied marriage, discrimination protection, and social and religious acceptance.
TL ; DR Do you think human beings are born gay, or do they develop these traits from their lifestyle?
Proponents argue that sexual orientation, much like handedness or tongue curling, is determined by natural, immutable biological factors such as genes or hormones, and therefore gay people should be entitled to the same legal rights and protections as other human beings.
Opponents argue that homosexuality is a reversible and unfortunate lifestyle choice resulting from poor child-parent relationships, sexual abuse, brainwashing by pro-gay influences, or other developmental causes. Some contend that gay people should be denied marriage, discrimination protection, and social and religious acceptance.
TL ; DR Do you think human beings are born gay, or do they develop these traits from their lifestyle?
You opened the SpaghettiO's, now you gotta sniff them.
There hasn't been any evidence that people are born gay, so I personally would believe that it could be based on environment factors or something like that. I think those that are gay 'become' gay very early on, resulting in their realization of sexual orientation later in life however. Ultimately, why does it even matter?
Gay people don't have a choice whether or not they want to be gay; that's just the way it is. There is no 'reversal process', and anyone who claims there is, is a religious fanatic. It's not like a gay person just decides one day, "Hm, I'm gay". It's a gradual thing that people come to realize, some earlier, some later. It's stupid to restrict rights on someone who can't control who they are. It's the same argument people used to slave black people, based on religious texts and the sort.
"Brainwashing by pro-gay influences" is just laughable. Tons of people grow up in areas where you are specifically taught that it is wrong to be gay, and end up being gay anyways. Someone's sexuality isn't your business, and everyone deserves the same basic rights, regardless of their sexuality or race.
Gay people don't have a choice whether or not they want to be gay; that's just the way it is. There is no 'reversal process', and anyone who claims there is, is a religious fanatic. It's not like a gay person just decides one day, "Hm, I'm gay". It's a gradual thing that people come to realize, some earlier, some later. It's stupid to restrict rights on someone who can't control who they are. It's the same argument people used to slave black people, based on religious texts and the sort.
"Brainwashing by pro-gay influences" is just laughable. Tons of people grow up in areas where you are specifically taught that it is wrong to be gay, and end up being gay anyways. Someone's sexuality isn't your business, and everyone deserves the same basic rights, regardless of their sexuality or race.
Originally Posted by Kyure
There hasn't been any evidence that people are born gay, so I personally would believe that it could be based on environment factors or something like that. I think those that are gay 'become' gay very early on, resulting in their realization of sexual orientation later in life however. Ultimately, why does it even matter?
Gay people don't have a choice whether or not they want to be gay; that's just the way it is. There is no 'reversal process', and anyone who claims there is, is a religious fanatic. It's not like a gay person just decides one day, "Hm, I'm gay". It's a gradual thing that people come to realize, some earlier, some later. It's stupid to restrict rights on someone who can't control who they are. It's the same argument people used to slave black people, based on religious texts and the sort.
"Brainwashing by pro-gay influences" is just laughable. Tons of people grow up in areas where you are specifically taught that it is wrong to be gay, and end up being gay anyways. Someone's sexuality isn't your business, and everyone deserves the same basic rights, regardless of their sexuality or race.
I'd like to refute the fact that there is no evidence that people are born gay.
Originally Posted by NotShadow
I'd like to refute the fact that there is no evidence that people are born gay.
I'd like to point out that this is all speculation and no actual hard evidence.
If people are born gay, please explain why there are numerous cases where people who have been straight all their lives come out and vice verse, as well as go back and forth.
but some teams were unable to replicate the findings and the actual genes have not been found
Rice and his colleagues suggested that such unerased epi-marks might lead to homosexuality
the study would also be “more convincing” if the team could link the regions showing epigenetic differences to testosterone sensitivity in the womb.
Last edited by Dscigs; Feb 16, 2016 at 02:46 AM.
Originally Posted by Dscigs
I'd like to point out that this is all speculation and no actual hard evidence.
If people are born gay, please explain why there are numerous cases where people who have been straight all their lives come out and vice verse, as well as go back and forth.
Bisexuality basically, along with other sexuality's where people have hard times finding ways to explain themselves with their preferences.
