Doing it for Oracle because he's a nice guy and I'm a nice guy. In the Wikipedia article you linked, it says that the US and, by extension NATO backs the Turkish side of events, both from seeing the data presented and comparing it to US intelligence of the area. Here is a very short article that says the same thing. As for the plane not responding to the warnings given by Turkish tower operators, it appears that the radio frequency used cannot be picked up by standard equipment that is installed in the plane and needs optional equipment to be able to be monitored. This fact shifts blame from the Russian pilot himself to the Russian government (or whoever it is that decides what gets installed in planes).
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’'s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
Originally Posted by hawkesnightmare
Doing it for Oracle because he's a nice guy and I'm a nice guy
hey,are you implying i'm not? xp
Anyway i asked for a source because the way oracle had written his message it seemed biased towards a side,just wanted to see a source supporting that.
Also the janes.com article you posted is not complete,it says i must make an account and login to read the full article,can you copy-paste it?
Originally Posted by nikosefs
Also the janes.com article you posted is not complete,it says i must make an account and login to read the full article,can you copy-paste it?
I don't have access to the full article either, but the part that I wanted to highlight (the third paragraph) is able to be seen.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
It was within legal limits, and it was shot down over Syria once it had already exited Turkish airspace. This also makes them implicit in the killing of the Russian pilot.
It was neither legal nor reasonable for Turkey to shoot down the plane.
Not true. The plane was hit while it was still in Turkish airspace. While a US official said the heat signatures suggested it was hit after it had already left, a week later the official statement was that Turkey's version of events was deemed correct, including the part where the aircraft was fired upon while still violating Turkish airspace.
Last edited by hawkesnightmare; Mar 18, 2016 at 09:33 PM.
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’'s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
Originally Posted by hawkesnightmare
Not true. The plane was hit while it was still in Turkish airspace. While a US official said the heat signatures suggested it was hit after it had already left, a week later the official statement was that Turkey's version of events was deemed correct, including the part where the aircraft was fired upon while still violating Turkish airspace.
Of course there is no way to know if NATO supported Turkey on principle or if it was actually because the data was correct... (I remember the phrase "a ritual of NATO unity")
It's unlikely that Turkey could have made the kill during the 17 second window they claim. Nevertheless, they did so knowing that the downed plane would be crashing into hostile territory.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Lets not get bogged down on what happened, but rather why it happened.
Was there really a need for Turkey to shoot down the plane for crossing into that area? Well, historically, in that border area, Turkey has shot down planes before and on multiple occasions. It's reasonable to think that if a plane entered that area, it's not unlikely for it to be targeted and shot down.
Russia, prior to the downing of the plane, had sent a plane through that border region before, and Turkey responded angrily, saying they'd shoot it down if it happened again. Now, was the downed plane sent into that area with Putin's intention to test Turkey's resolve or was the whole thing one legitimate accident?
If Putin wanted the plane to get shot down, then why did he want that? Putin's a game theory expert, so what's his master plan?
Was there really a need for Turkey to shoot down the plane for crossing into that area? Well, historically, in that border area, Turkey has shot down planes before and on multiple occasions. It's reasonable to think that if a plane entered that area, it's not unlikely for it to be targeted and shot down.
Russia, prior to the downing of the plane, had sent a plane through that border region before, and Turkey responded angrily, saying they'd shoot it down if it happened again. Now, was the downed plane sent into that area with Putin's intention to test Turkey's resolve or was the whole thing one legitimate accident?
If Putin wanted the plane to get shot down, then why did he want that? Putin's a game theory expert, so what's his master plan?
Last edited by Ele; Mar 19, 2016 at 04:18 AM.
