Originally Posted by Mallymkun
https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/files/smc_final_report_june2014.pdf
Are you serious? Did you read any of this? Not only is it 2014, so out of date, the conclusion is remain - why did you even link this??
Actually, the EU have already awarded Turkey for taking in refugees. Plus, they currently meet 65 out of the 72 requirements for free visa travel. It's not as far-fetched as you're making out.
And you're right, the EU has all the say. Its member states don't.
Great, it takes some unbelievable mental acrobatics to get from "they are nearly viable for free Visa travel" to "they are going to join the EU very soon".
Originally Posted by BBC
For a start, it is very difficult for would-be members to clear all the hurdles required. A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.
UKIP pushed for this referendum long before Cameron promised it. It can be confidently asserted that it wouldn't have even been considered by Cameron if not for UKIP bringing it to the public eye. The party is irrelevant because it's about the EU, not the party's policies. I don't know what else to say, really.
How can that be asserted? The EU has been in the public eye for as long as we've been in it. It's not going to happen in France or Germany.
You're correct, but we shouldn't be under authority by a union. Like every other country we should be able to make our own deals without interference. I mean, the whole concept of free trade is that it doesn't have tariffs and restrictions. Of course we want free trade.
We can trade with Canada and we do. Same with Australia, the EU does not stop us from trading is the point Im making.
You're right, I should have phrased it differently.
Consider it legitimate trade vs illegitimate trade.
._. how is it illegitimate, trade is trade. A trade agreement makes trade easier it doesnt make it legitimate.
Although I ask for a source, I'd also like to add that this is another example of the EU and its dreaded negotiations. If true, we aren't being denied by the US, but once again by the EU. But yes, source please!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36115138
its not an example of the UK being denied by the EU, its an example of the UK being harmed by its own ridiculous decision to leave the EU.
I stand by my original comment. We're in a better position.
You shouldn't have voted.
THERE AREN'T DISCUSSIONS IN OUR OWN PARLIAMENT.
- The fact that we simply cannot have a say screams dictatorship.
There arent discussions in our parliament on EU decisions? Why would there be? There arent respected discussions in my local council about parliamentary decisions, is the UK a dictatorship too? Should I lead a movement to get my constituency independence from the UK? I think I should, #LONGLIVEDEMOCRACY
DICTATORSHIP IS NOT OK
You tell me.
So, how is the EU governed? It is governed through a voting system by elected representatives. It fits the definition of democracy quite well. That's because it is a democratic system.
The nature of the law is irrelevant. If we can't argue then it will only be taken advantage of.
No it isnt, if they had decreed that we had to give up the NHS and healthcare has to be privatised, that would be far more damaging than saying "dude make your wires good" which is actually good for the population, what motive do you think the EU has to fuck over its member states?
The laws imposed by the EU are beneficial to us, so I dont understand why anyone used them as an argument point for leaving in the first place, especially as we could have left had the EU started abusing its position of power to make laws for us to abide by.
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Also @RedPanda, not only is it not only going to the NHS, its not as much money as they said because the vast majority of that money is given back to us by the EU.
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Originally Posted by RedPanda
From where it stands as is, we have a choice of Boris Johnson or Michael Gove. Although David Cameron wasn't a 'good' choice for britain, out of the 3 I can easily say he was our best choice.
I'm apathetic to both Johnson and Gove, just as I was to Cameron. I see it as a neutral swap. We definitely need someone fresh and I was getting sick of him anyway.
Originally Posted by RedPanda
Also, shoutout to my boi nigel farage who starts telling the truth about his campaigns after voting closed
Farage never made that claim. It was a claim made by another sector of the leave campaign. Both campaigns have lied about several things, but this one makes the papers because it was addressed to the wrong person.
Originally Posted by RedPanda
oh yh also I voted Remain cause im not an absolute cock, mate.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
Are you serious? Did you read any of this? Not only is it 2014, so out of date, the conclusion is remain - why did you even link this??
You obviously only read the date of when it was published and not its statistics, which are absolutely still relevant. Look at pages 28-29.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
Great, it takes some unbelievable mental acrobatics to get from "they are nearly viable for free Visa travel" to "they are going to join the EU very soon".
Controlling every country in Europe is the EU's plan, so adding Turkey to the long list of member states is only in their interest.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
How can that be asserted? The EU has been in the public eye for as long as we've been in it. It's not going to happen in France or Germany.
It's like talking to a brick wall. Farage introduced the anti-EU campaign to Britain 10 odd years ago when it was controversial to even consider leaving. It's already happening in France.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
We can trade with Canada and we do. Same with Australia, the EU does not stop us from trading is the point Im making.
Let me ask you this, would you rather trade with restrictions or trade without restrictions.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
._. how is it illegitimate, trade is trade. A trade agreement makes trade easier it doesnt make it legitimate.
The concept of trade is two parties agreeing to something. The EU is the third party; it sits there, makes its place known and then controls everything.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36115138
its not an example of the UK being denied by the EU, its an example of the UK being harmed by its own ridiculous decision to leave the EU.
Obama already made his intentions known when he spoke out in favour of the EU a couple of months ago. He's leaving office next year, so we won't have to worry about him anymore.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
There arent discussions in our parliament on EU decisions? Why would there be? There arent respected discussions in my local council about parliamentary decisions, is the UK a dictatorship too? Should I lead a movement to get my constituency independence from the UK? I think I should, #LONGLIVEDEMOCRACY
Yawn.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
So, how is the EU governed? It is governed through a voting system by elected representatives. It fits the definition of democracy quite well. That's because it is a democratic system.
LOL. Are you purposely ignoring the fact that these people are making decisions for us without our consent?
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
No it isnt, if they had decreed that we had to give up the NHS and healthcare has to be privatised, that would be far more damaging than saying "dude make your wires good" which is actually good for the population, what motive do you think the EU has to fuck over its member states?
I'm actually for privatisation, but it's besides the point. Whether you perceive it to be good or bad, they never should be allowed this amount of control; it will only be abused.
You obviously only read the date of when it was published and not its statistics, which are absolutely still relevant. Look at pages 28-29.
I also read the conclusion which was pro-eu did you expect me to read 90 pages? Youre deluded. Why did you link a document which doesnt support your argument? I would argue that you havent read it at all
Controlling every country in Europe is the EU's plan, so adding Turkey to the long list of member states is only in their interest.
Do you know what the EU is?? Its becoming more and mre apparent that you dont know what it is and you dont know what it stands for
It's like talking to a brick wall. Farage introduced the anti-EU campaign to Britain 10 odd years ago when it was controversial to even consider leaving. It's already happening in France.
Again, just because he was talking about it ages ago, doesnt mean he made it happen. He didnt, its also not already happening in France, in addition our own goverment is set to hold talks on whether we will be re-running the referendum, but I gues you missed that as well?
Let me ask you this, would you rather trade with restrictions or trade without restrictions.
Congrats on having an argument so backwards that you used the number 1 argument point for the thing you are arguing against
If there is a re vote dont turn up. You dont know what the EU is, you dont know what it does, you dont know what it stands for. Youre uninformed, too much so to make a valid judgement on the subject.
The concept of trade is two parties agreeing to something. The EU is the third party; it sits there, makes its place known and then controls everything.
The EU does not control our trade with non-EU member states.
Obama already made his intentions known when he spoke out in favour of the EU a couple of months ago. He's leaving office next year, so we won't have to worry about him anymore.
Yawn.
Obama voices what the senate thinks as well, just because obama leaves it doesnt mean the US will suddenly go back on its word and make a trade agreement with us? They wont, believe it or not - Obama is more informed than you on this topic.
"Yawn." Dont make bullshit arguments then, you should expect a sarky response if you dont know what a democracy is.
LOL. Are you purposely ignoring the fact that these people are making decisions for us without our consent?
They arent you fucking half wit we have our own MEP there making votes on our behalf, he was elected and the laws made in the EU are implemented all across Europe, its literally a mirror of our own government - is that a dictatorship too?
I'm actually for privatisation, but it's besides the point. Whether you perceive it to be good or bad, they never should be allowed this amount of control; it will only be abused.
Why would it be abused? What makes you think it would be abused? The EU has no interest in abusing its member states or they would actually have reason to leave. We dont our electorate is just dumb as shit. Interestingly theres a strong correlation between average level of education in a constutuency and %vote remain in that constituency.
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