Originally Posted by wibblefox
TP and VIP were great fun and very communal when I was there.
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it's very arguable whether that's the case right now. Kinda seems like a lot of people have become inside jokes and current posting revolves around what Lazors referred to as internet jargon. A good chunk of it is kinda lame and passive aggressive.
TP is supposed to be paid wibbles though, so slightly more stringent standards on flaming might work to keep any other board from degenerating into that?
Originally Posted by wibblefox
People cannot decide what is and isn't posted in their thread. If someone posts something "not serious" then just ignore it. Don't let your OCD to reply to ever post dictate the rules.
I think you realise that this argument makes no sense though.
Don't really agree here. There are situations where not serious stuff is just distracting clutter and an obvious eyesore.
Letting people tag their own threads shouldn't be an issue though. Slightly more stringent posting standards for threads personally tagged a different way isn't harmful, and filters discussion to where it's useful and helpful to OP.
Originally Posted by wibblefox
Again who cares if people post something boring or short, it's not a problem, it won't necessarily lead to hostility.
there's a bit of a blurred line there imo. If it's meaningless to the point of being spam I think we can agree that's probably undesirable, and constantly repeated short posts is probably undesirable too
For the record, every bit of your post that I haven't quoted, I agree with.
Last edited by pouffy; Aug 22, 2016 at 10:17 PM.
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Originally Posted by Pouffy
it's very arguable whether that's the case right now. Kinda seems like a lot of people have become inside jokes and current posting revolves around what Lazors referred to as internet jargon. A good chunk of it is kinda lame and passive aggressive.
And how exactly are inside jokes and internet jargon or "lame" posts a problem?
Just let people post ffs, why do staff always insist on imposing their opinion on to others? You don't laugh at the inside joke? I don't care at all, it's not a reason to ban it.
Originally Posted by Pouffy
TP is supposed to be paid wibbles though, so slightly more stringent standards on flaming might work to keep any other board from degenerating into that?
Again last time I was there this was not true at all, and afaik that board still has a lot of mods.
I'm not sure at what point staff decided that imposing bad rules on the forum is fine so long as people can pay to post somewhere more reasonable.
Originally Posted by Pouffy
Don't really agree here. There are situations where not serious stuff is just distracting clutter and an obvious eyesore.
Letting people tag their own threads shouldn't be an issue though. Slightly more stringent posting standards for threads personally tagged a different way isn't harmful, and filters discussion to where it's useful and helpful to OP.
This will never work, just learn to not respond to every post you see.
Originally Posted by Pouffy
there's a bit of a blurred line there imo. If it's meaningless to the point of being spam I think we can agree that's probably undesirable, and constantly repeated short posts is probably undesirable too
For the record, every bit of your post that I haven't quoted, I agree with.
Spam is spam, we are talking about short posts.
I have been infracted before for answering questions in 1 sentence or whatever, it's just stupid. "Do I need a CPU with the same socket as my mobo?" "yes" - INFRACTED BANNED NO ONE WORD POSTS CRIMINAL SCUM. "What is the rgb for toxic?" "you can find all colors at .../colors.txt" - INFRACTED BANNED NO ONE SENTENCE POSTS CRIMINAL SCUM.
In short it's another one of those "I'm too lazy to read posts so I'll just ban every post that could possibly be bad" rules.
Originally Posted by Lazors
I never said that Tp threads aren't fun. They're not exactly welcoming though. I'm also not planning to argue about where exactly the line goes. Three word stories is a terrible example because more then half of them go down the lines of primitive dick jokes. There's a good reason to why we've exiled them to clan discussion.
wow dick jokes ban this sick filth.
Nice unfounded assertion though, if you are that afraid of dick jokes just warn or infract IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
Originally Posted by Lazors
You're being extreme. Obviously they're not the same medium, chatting is for chatting, and posting is for posting. If you want to post one sentence posts or other low-content stuff it's not an insane idea to use IRC. You would post on the forum if you have a more concrete thread.
There's no logic behind this argument it's purely opinion, so I'm not going to respond since it would be fruitless.
Originally Posted by Lazors
I don't think you understand. It would work like this: If the user wants a serious thread, he would use a [serious] tag. This would mean that the moderation in those threads would be harsher than the usual threads.
I know how it works, but you still aren't actually stopping people from posting. Especially with such an open to interpretation rule it's as bad as "no useless posts" which is just a coverall for anything that particular staff member dislikes.
If people want to have a serious discussion they can go ahead, just ignore the posts you don't think are serious enough to reply to.
Originally Posted by Lazors
I don't think your OCD argument is very good. The fact is that one-liners and memes kill serious threads. The first few posts in a thread decides the tone of the thread. There has to be a distinction between serious and non-serious threads for that reason. It will be incredibly hard to get a serious thread going if people are more interested in shitting the thread away.
Are you against giving people the opportunity to have serious threads? It sounds to me like you're just appealing to one of the sort of people who come to off-topic, while I'm arguing for a lot more freedom for more than one sort of person.
People are interested in different things. Your post seems to imply that people that would otherwise be posting for fun would suddenly become serious just because of the tag, this won't happen.
People are welcome to tag their thread as serious, and they are welcome to ignore posts they don't deem to be serious enough, but ultimately there is no need for a rule.
Originally Posted by Lazors
No, moonshake points to a rule specifically in gaming chat. Yes, gaming chat is in off-topic. And the gaming chat rules are really old.
Again I don't know what rule you are talking about and if you don't want to explain then fine, but I can't reply to that obviously.
Originally Posted by Lazors
People will tire of birthday threads, and they're not smart enough to simply ignore them. Birthdays and leaving/coming back threads are completely centered around one user. Theoretically and rhetorically, your argument sounds good, but in practice there is a good reason why we added a rule against them.
No, people are posting because it's more fun to give your opinions than to read others. You're not thinking of the people who will have to read the crap. It's not insane to ask for a compromise where the content is fun to post and interesting to read.
Again who cares if people get tired of threads.
Or are you afraid of someone making a dick joke again?!?!?!
Originally Posted by Lazors
No, I still think there has to be some standard to the posts, but I've addressed this.
Again this argument has no logical basis so there's nothing to respond to. You think forums should be akin to writing letters or something, it's not, it's just a place where you can post, there is nothing that inherently requires people to write formally or make long posts or not talk casually or whatever else you imagine.
Originally Posted by Link
@wibblefox
A lot of the OT rules were made as results of things that degraded the section in the past. If we become lenient or don't do our job, which you considered "lazy moderation", then the rules have a high chance of becoming redundant. Some of the rules require a more objective stance. In example; "no useless threads" rule requires a more human response than "no x vs z gaming threads".
"no useless threads" is a coverall that is used to ban anything the staff member dislikes. There is nothing inherently bad about "x vs z" threads. Does it really matter if some people like CS and some people like CoD and then another person posts saying halo is better? No of course it doesn't. Flaming is one thing, but disagreeing and discussing is totally fine. Your problem is imagined.
Banning whole types of threads just because you are concerned about the possibility of a problem is lazy moderation.
Originally Posted by Link
At the end of the day, someone needs to help out and the ones that do spend a lot of free time doing so. If we didn't have moderators, pretty much every section would be full of crap.
Simply not true.
All subs could get by with minimal moderation. I moderated computing for 3 years for example, and there was only 1 troublemaker in that time. Between myself and the other staff members maybe a dozen actions were taken in the entire sub.
Straight after I was kicked out someone else decided to make a bunch of new rules and abuse their power, immediately causing problems. Because of their overmoderation the sub died for a long time and more infractions and moderator actions were taken in a month than in the entire history of the sub.
Originally Posted by Link
For the record, unless you're being super toxic, not getting the hint, or being a troll, you're typically never infracted.
Maybe you can say that about you personally but you are not the only staff member around. Typically there are no warnings for "breaking rules" and the rule that is broken is made up on the spot or is an exceedingly liberal interpretation of the many open ended rules like "useless post". What is a useless post? Well whatever the moderator doesn't like (eg "not being serious enough").
Overall the whole forum needs a lot of work.
EDIT: As an experiment leave this thread open: http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=570924
See if it devolves into a cacophony of hostility and dick jokes.
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Originally Posted by wibblefox
People are interested in different things. Your post seems to imply that people that would otherwise be posting for fun would suddenly become serious just because of the tag, this won't happen.
People are welcome to tag their thread as serious, and they are welcome to ignore posts they don't deem to be serious enough, but ultimately there is no need for a rule.
I'm just asking for clarification here.
Are you saying you want shitposts to be allowed in all areas of the forum? If so, do you think people are going to be happy to sift through 5 posts of mindless garbage for every decent post? Hopefully I'm not coming across defensive here - just looking for your stance on this.
I also closed that thread since I'm not going to turn off the rules because a user requested it - maybe if there's a decent discussion and the rules change.
Originally Posted by Fear
I'm just asking for clarification here.
Are you saying you want shitposts to be allowed in all areas of the forum? If so, do you think people are going to be happy to sift through 5 posts of mindless garbage for every decent post? Hopefully I'm not coming across defensive here - just looking for your stance on this.
I also closed that thread since I'm not going to turn off the rules because a user requested it - maybe if there's a decent discussion and the rules change.
We aren't talking about the whole forum we are talking about offtopic, so it's a moot point.
But no, I have no problem with people throwing in a joke or 1 line post or whatever in a regular thread. If the whole thread becomes like that then clearly people don't have interest in having a "serious quality decent" discussion. If it pisses you off then just scroll past it. I often scroll past posts I have no interest me, this does not mean I want to ban these posts, and even when I had the power to I didn't delete them or leave mod messages telling people how much I disliked their posts. Heck even when people were actually breaking the rules, I just left them unless it was causing a problem. You'd be surprised to find that when someone is flaming or making low """quality""" posts other users are perfectly capable of dealing with the situation...
If you don't want to come across as defensive then maybe don't use loaded language like "sift through 5 posts of mindless garbage for every decent post".
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