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Modern Feminism
I'd like to get everyone's opinion, since YouTube compilations don't really give any kind of actual answers, but just to make you think how stupid these people are.
In my opinion, modern feminism is disgusting. Not the concept for protesting for equal or women's rights, but the fact that these women practically scream in anyone's face who thinks feminism is retarded or something. What do you think? The thing that makes them seem like idiots is the fact that they don't do any research, they just go in guns blazing. I don't get why these women take the concept of protesting and flip it upside down. I don't get why these people are so aggressive for simply no reason at all.
I don't know, just a thought. What do you guys think?
In my opinion, modern feminism is disgusting. Not the concept for protesting for equal or women's rights, but the fact that these women practically scream in anyone's face who thinks feminism is retarded or something. What do you think? The thing that makes them seem like idiots is the fact that they don't do any research, they just go in guns blazing. I don't get why these women take the concept of protesting and flip it upside down. I don't get why these people are so aggressive for simply no reason at all.
I don't know, just a thought. What do you guys think?
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@cowmeat - you imply there are lots of ways in western culture that women are discriminated against, could you name some? Preferably systematic forms of discrimination where the law is involved
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Personally I dont have anything against feminism in general its a great concept, but in western culture I dont see a plethera of ways in which women are systematically discriminated against - all the campaigns and marches you see are about western culture when I believe they should be focusing on hardships faced by women in places like the middle east.
The wage gap as an example is what people campaign on in western countries - most countries have laws passed stating that a woman cannot be paid less than a man for the same job as a result of their gender, women do earn on average less than men, but not for the same job and it tends to be as a result of life choices (including education choices) as a case in point my parents earnt about the same until I was born, they were in the same profession, when I was born my mum dropped out of that carreer to look after me, now she has the same qualifications as my dad and earns considerably less, she would be used to show there is a wage gap but its not discrimination its a life choice my parents made together (including the fact my mum would drop out of work not my dad).
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Personally I dont have anything against feminism in general its a great concept, but in western culture I dont see a plethera of ways in which women are systematically discriminated against - all the campaigns and marches you see are about western culture when I believe they should be focusing on hardships faced by women in places like the middle east.
The wage gap as an example is what people campaign on in western countries - most countries have laws passed stating that a woman cannot be paid less than a man for the same job as a result of their gender, women do earn on average less than men, but not for the same job and it tends to be as a result of life choices (including education choices) as a case in point my parents earnt about the same until I was born, they were in the same profession, when I was born my mum dropped out of that carreer to look after me, now she has the same qualifications as my dad and earns considerably less, she would be used to show there is a wage gap but its not discrimination its a life choice my parents made together (including the fact my mum would drop out of work not my dad).
Last edited by SmallBowl; Jul 10, 2017 at 05:01 AM.
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl
@cowmeat - you imply there are lots of ways in western culture that women are discriminated against, could you name some? Preferably systematic forms of discrimination where the law is involved
- all the campaigns and marches you see are about western culture when I believe they should be focusing on hardships faced by women in places like the middle east.
Are you just being stupid for conversation's sake? I will assume you are and dignify that statement with a response.
If you fail to see any inequality past the law you are either actually a full blown idiot or willfully misunderstanding what inequality is. Imagine you telling a black man in the 60's that he is just being whiny, that he is treated completely equally under the law and so is not being discriminated against. And on top of that he should focus on South African black people being treated worse.
Surely women don't face the same harsh discrimination and inequality as black people did back then. But the principle is the same.
The law is only a small part of how society works.
If the only form of discrimination you can think of is by law, I have some news. Let's look at some data about the UK, that being your home country.
Out of your government's ministers 22% are female. That's an alarmingly small number. Are women biologically less qualified to become high ranking government officials or are we possibly seeing a societal notion that men are somehow better leaders, and that it's a mans job to lead?
I would say the latter. Unless literally biologically women simply are massively worse leaders than men, what is the other explanation?
How about in business, out of the FTSE100 companies, there are literally more CEO's named John than there are women CEO's.
Only 7 women are the CEO's of their respective FTSE100 companies.
How about USA? Looking at fortune 500 companies, there are 23 women CEO's, that 4.6%, just let that number sink in. Again, no discrimination here since it's not by the law? AMIRIGHT?
In traditionally technical and mathematical fields women have twice the unemployment rate as men do.
Could that be because women are twice as bad at tech and math than men are, or that we see work relating to technology and mathematics to be a man's job in our society?
If you just fail to acknowledge these inequalities (which there are more of) I don't think I have anything more I can say.
Now I'm not saying we need women quotas and that law needs to be reformed. But we most definitely still have societal expectations for women and men that are vastly different. It's getting better, but to there not be any inequality, is a conclusion only an idiot can arrive at.
https://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/Compute...ology_2014.htm
https://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/stats_data.htm
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserv...88021EF8B4E9C5
Inb4. but men also face some discrimination so feminism is dumb.
Also did not mention the vage gap since it's a very complicated discussion requiring it's own thread.
Last edited by cowmeat; Jul 10, 2017 at 07:52 AM.
So what Cowmeat?
Yeah, there's differences between men and women, and yeah, they both gravitate towards different professions. This is not some hidden, societal inequality, this is just reality. We 'choose' different things. These are choices. There's no actual discrimination stopping women or men from entering fields their sex strays away from. Maybe you'd get some odd looks from some coworkers at first, but that's hardly discrimination.
You're equating equality with equality of outcome, instead of equality of opportunity.
Hopefully you're just doing that for argument's sake ;)
Yeah, there's differences between men and women, and yeah, they both gravitate towards different professions. This is not some hidden, societal inequality, this is just reality. We 'choose' different things. These are choices. There's no actual discrimination stopping women or men from entering fields their sex strays away from. Maybe you'd get some odd looks from some coworkers at first, but that's hardly discrimination.
You're equating equality with equality of outcome, instead of equality of opportunity.
Hopefully you're just doing that for argument's sake ;)
Last edited by Ele; Jul 10, 2017 at 08:36 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele
So what Cowmeat?
Yeah, there's differences between men and women, and yeah, they both gravitate towards different professions. This is not some hidden, societal inequality, this is just reality. We 'choose' different things. These are choices. There's no actual discrimination stopping women or men from entering fields their sex strays away from. Maybe you'd get some odd looks from some coworkers at first, but that's hardly discrimination.
You're equating equality with equality of outcome, instead of equality of opportunity.
Hopefully you're just doing that for argument's sake ;)
There is no clear line between equality of outcome and equality of opportunity. What part of societal pressures don't you understand?
If you are told from an early age that you will become a housewife, guess what, you will most likely become a housewife.
You literally saying that women are just choosing not to be leaders and high payed professional because of their biology.
Or if you want to back up on your words and acknowledge that societal pressures and expectations apply, you then kind of have to acknowledge that those expectations create inequalities.
"Maybe you'd get some odd looks from some coworkers at first, but that's hardly discrimination."
THIS IS EXACTLY FUCKING DISCRIMINATION.
Having a bigger entry barrier to a profession because of your gender is the absolute definition of discrimination.
How on earth can you say with a straight face that having to worry about odd looks because of your gender in a profession is not discrimination? Disgusting
Hopefully you can make some wibbles threads about this topic, community manager ;=)
Last edited by cowmeat; Jul 10, 2017 at 08:55 AM.
