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Gender
I'm going to leave this topic pretty open. Feel free to bring up any talking points on the subject you can think of, but as guidelines;

Do you believe in people with non-binary genders?
Do you believe within that category the are genders (not just a mixture or lack of the two genders relating to sex)?
Do you believe that we should still have genders at all?

And as always, try to explain why.
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Originally Posted by InternetDad View Post
I'm going to leave this topic pretty open. Feel free to bring up any talking points on the subject you can think of, but as guidelines;

Do you believe in people with non-binary genders?
Do you believe within that category the are genders (not just a mixture or lack of the two genders relating to sex)?
Do you believe that we should still have genders at all?

And as always, try to explain why.

1. Personally Im absolutely fine with the concept of non-binary gender. Gender refers to how you feel and act rather than your biology and is entirely a social construct. So yeah, a person can feel different and act different day to day and that does change their gender, or they can not feel like they fit as either male or female; the same would obviously not be true for sex though.

2. Im not sure I understand the question, but I think people can fit the category of male and female fine but also fit somewhere between the two in terms of how they act and feel compared with typical social and cultural examples of a male of female, so I think someones gender can be between male and female. Again the same is not at all true for sex with deals entirely with biology.

3. Gender can do a good job of describing how a person feels about their thoughts, actions and their body so I think it can have a use. On the other hand the topic of gender and disagreements around the topic happen all the time and are often heated, it could be argued that its really not worth the trouble it causes since its not a tangible thing rather just a social construct - in reality theres no chance that the concept of gender will disappear.
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Personally, there's two genders or a mixture but there will still be a prominent gender in a mixture.
Some people just cross-dress, have mental disorders, or simply hate their gender and want to change.
So it's whatever they can do whatever they want just quit shoving it down everyone's throats.
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Smallbowl: Context for second question. I only believe in two genders, because they are social constructs designed to describe a group of characteristics expected of one of the (more than two if you include people born who are intersex) sexes. I believe you can't create more genders, but I do believe insisting that a member of a sex must adhere to the respective gender is absurd as the characteristics are pretty arbitrary nowadays when you look at how much people can afford to differ independently of sex. You can say you have characteristics/an identity that are/is somewhere between the genders, or that you fit into neither group. Basically gender non-binary people, as well as trans people are legitimate and credible, but there are only two genders in the case of the west at least.
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Originally Posted by Kunt View Post
theres 2 genitals, theres 2 genders

Sex =/= gender. Gender has absolutely nothing to do with genitals, sex has absolutely everything to do with genitals.
Originally Posted by InternetDad View Post
Smallbowl: Context for second question. I only believe in two genders, because they are social constructs designed to describe a group of characteristics expected of one of the (more than two if you include people born who are intersex) sexes. I believe you can't create more genders, but I do believe insisting that a member of a sex must adhere to the respective gender is absurd as the characteristics are pretty arbitrary nowadays when you look at how much people can afford to differ independently of sex. You can say you have characteristics/an identity that are/is somewhere between the genders, or that you fit into neither group. Basically gender non-binary people, as well as trans people are legitimate and credible, but there are only two genders in the case of the west at least.

If gender is what a person identifies as then I would argue that every person must have a gender, if a person does not fit into male or female then their gender is something different, which means another gender exists.

I do understand what youre saying but gender is only loosely related to sex, and saying that since one only has 2 categories thus the other must only have 2 is incorrect since they are different concept. Sex is determined by which sexual organ a person has and what role they would take in reproduction, humans only reproduce with 2 sexual organs so there are only 2 sexes. Gender on the other hand is what a person is like in terms of social and cultural behaviour and feelings, these can be anything and are not limited to reproduction so the constraints are different allowing more than 2 categories to exist
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Smallbowl, I would argue there are only two genders but more sexes. Excluding intersex people as deformities is like excluding people with unusually small dicks from dick size statistics. Just because it's abnormal doesn't mean it's wrong.

I just feel gender isn't a parameter that needs to be filled in. It's the word given to a societal construct. In India or among certain Native American people I would accept 4 genders as they regard fem boys and masculine girls as their own genders. In societies without gender roles (if any exist) I would say there was no such thing as gender. If you don't fit into a gender you are not a maberiqué gender or astralgender, you just don't fit into two relatively arbitrary groups that an archaic role system has laid out for people.

I agree with Bodhisattva on most points actually.
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Originally Posted by Room View Post
Also it's pretty sad that lgbtq doesn't include straights, it's literally putting down a group of people, which they are apparently opposed of doing.

So you don't think LGBTQ should exist? Because that would make the whole movement redundant. It's still illegal to be queer in a lot of places in the world so I'd rather they keep campaigning to find an equality we definitely haven't reached yet TBH.
Last edited by InternetDad; Aug 22, 2017 at 09:36 AM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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Originally Posted by InternetDad View Post
Smallbowl, I would argue there are only two genders but more sexes. Excluding intersex people as deformities is like excluding people with unusually small dicks from dick size statistics. Just because it's abnormal doesn't mean it's wrong.

There are only 2 sexes.

Sex: either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

Sex is based on reproductive organs and the only categories are the 2 sides of the human reproductive system. People who have birth abnormalities and do not have either sexual organs do not have a sex but may have a gender.
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
There are only 2 sexes.

Sex: either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

Sex is based on reproductive organs and the only categories are the 2 sides of the human reproductive system. People who have birth abnormalities and do not have either sexual organs do not have a sex but may have a gender.

That is factually incorrect, people with birth abnormalities do have a sex, they are intersex. What gender they may associate isn't relevant.

It's a small population of people, some of which were previously called "hermaphrodites", but they do have a scientifically categorized sex as determined by their genes and endocrine system.

There are two primary sexes, man and woman, and there are many variants of a third sex, known scientifically as intersex.

Gender being a social construct runs the gambit of many many showings.
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