HTOTM: FUSION
In other cultures, beauty is still the chubby/plump/whatever, instead of the american skinny.
In our culture, fat implies things like lazy, undisciplined, and apathetic. No one wants to be with someone like this.
In others, it shows wealth and excess.

You want to have wealth and excess. Look at the peacock. He attracts a mate by using extra energy to hold up the biggest, heaviest tail. By showing off the big tail, he is saying "I'm tough and kill shit, also I have extra food. Sleep with me." This is similar to rappers throwing away money in music videos or you buying an expensive car/house or just paying for dinner.
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Originally Posted by southpaw7 View Post

This is similar to rappers throwing away money in music videos or you buying an expensive car/house or just paying for dinner.

Shit YEAH.

Holy shit, money accounts for so much these days.
If you're poor, girls don't think you're cool or "hot" or whatever the fuck.

Forgot about money's influence on your looks.
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i think pretty stuff flips a curiosity switch in our brains that makes us aspire to know what things are and how they work. we are in awe of something like clouds, which as we see are always out of reach, looming above us, some huge unknown thing high in the sky that's always in sight but never in reach. as for flowers, well, they look cool. the colors and patterns are intricate and amazing, sometimes exotic even.colors in nature can look "beautiful" because they differ greatly from things we see everyday inside our homes or offices. specifically the shapes and colors we see.
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Originally Posted by Peter1212 View Post
Shit YEAH.

Holy shit, money accounts for so much these days.
If you're poor, girls don't think you're cool or "hot" or whatever the fuck.

Forgot about money's influence on your looks.

hey hey hey, come on now, give women some credit here. Yes there are MANY women out there who are like that, but there are also MORE THAN PLENTY women out there who dont care about money.

In fact most women I know are more concerned about the person. Money plays a role (but it does for men also) but on the whole they will always be more interested in the person. This is because women are people also :P and therefor a bit more sophisticated than peacocks.
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Originally Posted by deady View Post
hey hey hey, come on now, give women some credit here. Yes there are MANY women out there who are like that, but there are also MORE THAN PLENTY women out there who dont care about money.

In fact most women I know are more concerned about the person. Money plays a role (but it does for men also) but on the whole they will always be more interested in the person. This is because women are people also :P and therefor a bit more sophisticated than peacocks.

Yeah, but to attract women (or men, if you're a woman) you need to have pretty looks, and in todays modern culture, that means expensive shit. If you don't have that, you don't attract initial interest. Spend as much as possible to make yourself "beautiful", that's what it's about.
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Its an evolutionary advantage for a woman to look for a rich mate. This gives her and her offspring a better chance at living in good conditions.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
That being said, the biases of "beholder's eye" are shaped by the environment in which said eye and it's ancestors reside in.

EVERYTHING can be seen as beautiful.
Some maniacs (due to some unfortunate mutation/upbringing) find scattered human intestines beautiful, but do you think this particular trait is favored by evolution? No. These kinds of people are constantly eradicated by our society (for a good reason) and so this particular view of beauty is not widely represented. Most people find guts of a dead human disgusting, and it's a more 'healthy' view that is more compatible with our civilization and it's well-being.

Let me illustrate another example.
Most of you who read this are probably afraid of, or disgusted by, spiders. Even when you know the spider in question is clearly not poisonous, you still have innate fear of his small 8-legged body. It's mere presence unnerves you. Why don't you find it beautiful? Why don't you want to take it in your hand, and pet it? Answer lies in biology. For ancient humans, insects nearly ALWAYS meant trouble. Ants, mosquitoes, flies, bees, wasps, centipedes, and most of all - spiders. Spiders don't try to make their presence obvious, and a good many of them are/were poisonous. For millenia, they made their base in people's homes and often caused trouble. A genome which resulted in one NOT being afraid of spider is unfavorable, because those kinds of people were more likely to get bitten and die, thus people who love spiders are a clear minority even today.

The ways in which subtle things effect our group perception are not always as easy to see, of course.
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I wouldn't go and pick up a spider even if I knew it wasnt poisenous, but this doesnt stop me from thinking its beautiful, I think that fear of spiders definately comes from the pyschological/cultural generalisation of them, which is that they are dangerous and mean trouble as opposed to their appearence.

Beauty is is the eye of the beholder of course, but there are some generalisations that can still be made about it, the normal woman today will aim for a thin, fit and glamourous look if they are interested in beauty, whereas there are still those who don't care about becoming the aforementioned idle of beauty but still see it as just that.
another example is in art/fashion. the generalisation of beauty is whatever the respected and well known celebs/critics/artists/designers say about it since they are regarded as having experience with defining "beauty"
I'm saying all this with "beauty" meaning perfection in appearence.
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Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
Let me illustrate another example.
Most of you who read this are probably afraid of, or disgusted by, spiders. Even when you know the spider in question is clearly not poisonous, you still have innate fear of his small 8-legged body. It's mere presence unnerves you. Why don't you find it beautiful? Why don't you want to take it in your hand, and pet it? Answer lies in biology. For ancient humans, insects nearly ALWAYS meant trouble. Ants, mosquitoes, flies, bees, wasps, centipedes, and most of all - spiders. Spiders don't try to make their presence obvious, and a good many of them are/were poisonous. For millenia, they made their base in people's homes and often caused trouble. A genome which resulted in one NOT being afraid of spider is unfavorable, because those kinds of people were more likely to get bitten and die, thus people who love spiders are a clear minority even today.

The ways in which subtle things effect our group perception are not always as easy to see, of course.

(btw I love spiders, even though their presecence is a bit uncanny they take out all of those nasty insects coming into mah house)

That can't be it - I don't believe that because something is dangerous or healthy for a human does it suddendly mean that something is disgusting or, respectively, beautiful. For example, I'm pretty sure most of society would love to see dangerous mammals - such as bears, lions, wolves, tigers, etc. even though in the past encounters with such beasts could mean nothing but trouble. Simmilairly, I'm pretty sure that many of us would be disgusted by pigs (even though they are a source of food! = healthy) and their regulaur habbits. Or why is a butcher's table a place of disgust even though it's a place which brings us food?
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Originally Posted by Deprived View Post
(btw I love spiders, even though their presecence is a bit uncanny they take out all of those nasty insects coming into mah house)

That can't be it - I don't believe that because something is dangerous or healthy for a human does it suddendly mean that something is disgusting or, respectively, beautiful. For example, I'm pretty sure most of society would love to see dangerous mammals - such as bears, lions, wolves, tigers, etc. even though in the past encounters with such beasts could mean nothing but trouble. Simmilairly, I'm pretty sure that many of us would be disgusted by pigs (even though they are a source of food! = healthy) and their regulaur habbits. Or why is a butcher's table a place of disgust even though it's a place which brings us food?

Not saying that effect on health is the only thing which effects our perception, but yit's on of the most important ones.
Spiders are also much more alien to us than lions, who are mammals and do things much like we humans do (eat with mouth, have 2 eyes, 4 limbs, similar reproductive system, etc). Pigs habits disgust us because rolling around in dirt does. It's neither pleasureful nor very healthy for us.

Again, not saying all beauty standards depend on 1 single factor, but you got to admit it's too many coincidences.