the camera man could've at least tryed to save the animal

Why would the cameraman just sit there and tape the death of a puppy.
This is outrageous.

Animals doesn't have any rights to live? I strongly disagree with you. Do you know what "Human Rights" or "Morality" means? They are rules, rules to control every human behavior, as humans and only humans. Because humans created these "rules".


Referring to KiTFoX's post, WE are also animals only a lot smarter and advaced, god created us with the same life values as animals, so, killing an animal is just the same as killing another life.

As KiTFoX have said, we do not own this planet, because we existed because of the planet, because of the animals around us. Do you think we can live without animals? Have you ever heard about the Ecosystem?


No, that depends, if you loved that rat, you would sacrifice your life for it. Just like your love to your family, you would sacrifice your life to save your family if their lives are in danger. Because love is sacrifice.

Looks like the dog is already dead. Rigor mortis looks like it set in. If you pick something up by the collar don't you think it would move. He threw a dead dog. Weird, but relatively harmless.

Ahahahahhaa... Your ignorance knows no bounds...

Let me straighten it out for you.

And here is a little lesson for those who are reading who may have not already known.

First of all, you probably couldnt even recite the very first line of the oath without googling it. Secondly, you have probably never seen combat. Thirdly, you probably dont even know what goes through a mans mind after he has killed a few times.

Fourthly, i already stated that those marines were charged and sent to the brig for posting that on the TUBE.

Fifth, WAR changes people. Take a few shots at a kid with a bomb vest, or AK-47, and see how well your morals hold up.

Sixth, wasting ammo on a dog when you can use it on the stated above and come home alive to your four or five or however many kids, and wife alive, and most likely save the lives of the men around you who probably have families.

I still see the faces that i have had to look upon when i squeezed the trigger in combat. I, as a United States Marine Corps Combat vet, with over twenty four combat medals, ribbons and merits who watched my sergeant die, because he hesitated to shoot a kid, and had to fill his role, and lead marines through battle..

CAN and will contest this. Because, firstly, anyone from the jobs ranging from motor transport, to infantry, combat engineer, scout sniper, assualt man, and so on WILL INDEED LOSE Some of their humanity when it comes to killing men, women, and children.

Eventually it will become sport to some. And then, after all that is experienced, throwing a puppy off the cliff is really not a big deal.

Not all marines or soldiers are all there in the head after seeing combat. Hell, i still have a hard enough time as it is functioning normally in society.

There is a thing out there that causes COMBAT STRESS and loads of moral issues and behavioral problems.

I have this five seconds worth of rage that will seem to wash over me from time to time with random people that i do not know, and during that five seconds i would like to mash that said person's very core of their soul into the soil they walk on.

No clue why, but it happens to me. Every now and then because i have been blown up so many times, i forget where i am even though i have been there so many times before, and within that ten or fifteen minutes i am completey fucking lost.

These are just minor side affects. Because of the afforementioned fit of rage, I have had to use a lot of discipline in that five seconds to NOT destroy the very physical being of that person that crosses my path continuing on with their daily busy lives.

However, some soldiers and marines arent so lucky.

So yes, those Marines are in a load of psychiatric treatment for what the did while they serve their time busting rocks in the brig.

Like i said before, before you posted your useless comment, they were charged. Both the marines that committed the act, and the marines that filmed it. If they had kept it off the internet, it would have been swept under the rug.

NOBODY in my platoon or my company that served with me needs any kind of video as a reminder of all the places we sacked. But one thing you will find the most common with just about any military personell.

Is that by sacraficing their humanity go fight wars, and kill, they will instictively develop a sick sense of humor.

I dont agree with what they did. (Did i mention this was two years ago? Shit let it go...) But i wouldnt bother stopping them either. Couldn't possibly care less.

In the end. This oath we took has little to do with puppies. Dead or alive. And secondly. The human mind is still a complicated thing, and not everyone's thought process will take combat stress the same way. It just turns us into monsters in some ways.

YOU will not undestand what it is like to be in war until you join a military, even then, YOU will not fully understand what combat can really do to a man, unless YOU are up close and personal to it, or in it.

If i was asked about the situation, AGAIN, i would be like. "Yeah i saw them do it, so what?" but if no one asked. Then it would just roll off my back.

Too much distraction from suicide bombing kids, and AK-47 wielding minors.

I did my job so that most americans would never have to under go the consequences of seeing it at our very door step. So they have a CHOICE.

Complacency kills, aswell as generates ignorance, and manifests stupidity. Open yours eyes gents.

Welcome to the real world.

Oh and hey, jongii: This is what you wrote, and here is wher ei point out even further ignorance...Not even worth going throught he trouble of qouting.:

Referring to KiTFoX's post, WE are also animals only a lot smarter and advaced, god created us with the same life values as animals, so, killing an animal is just the same as killing another life.

As KiTFoX have said, we do not own this planet, because we existed because of the planet, because of the animals around us. Do you think we can live without animals? Have you ever heard about the Ecosystem?


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IN the BIBLE it says GOD breathed LIFE into adam and EVE. BUT did not BREATH LIFE into animals. MEANING they Really have no soul. Barley a PERSONALITY. GOD GAVE US DOMINION OVER ALL ANIMALS AND SEED BARING PLANTS.

So if you want to qoute the bible. In all reality. It is us who decides wether or not the animals or a DOG for that matter has the right to live.

^Wrecked.
I love you Don.
I am a former US Special Operations Soldier, and I think people freak out for stupid things. Human lives are affected everyday in war, and an animal is more important? I don't think so.
It may be important to 14 year old animalists, bvut not to men like me and Don who have seen friends die.

Where is your outrage about marines killing innocent HUMAN lives? Yes. American marines and british soldiers have been recorded killing innocent people, causing suffering and torturing not only humans but also animals.
I've seen videos of:
* Numerous dogs being killed for fun by shooting them, throwing them off cliffs, or by hitting them with grenades and rocks.
* Marines throwing flashbang grenades to a herd of sheep walking by the road with the pastor, just for fun.
* Harassment of children and citizens by: making jokes, running over their cars with tanks, hitting their vehicles with their hummers, causing havoc on the roads.
* Soldiers beating on children behind a wall
* Soldiers shooting unarmed men found prostrated on the ground, which is illegal under international law, even if its a "terrorist".
* Bombardments of markets, schools and mosques filled with children, women and other people looking for refuge or minding about their own business. * Theres also videos showing bombardments of flocks of innocent people moving to other buildings, looking for cover. Specially during the Fallujah massacre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falluja...idden_Massacre
* Americans torturing people in illegal prisons such as the one in Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, a major disrespect for the international laws
And many more!
These are all violations of all conventions, declarations and international laws.

Where is your compassion for human beings now, huh? You're a conservative biased person so don't come with that conversation about the poor innocent soldiers! If they're heros then THEY SHOULD GIVE THE EXAMPLE, BE RESPECTFULL ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAWS AND CONVENTIONS. Not to mention the UDHR!


First of all it was an illegal war. Second: I will never support troops doing wrongdoings. NEVER. Same for governments. If you're a true patriot, then you shouldn't support a government that damages the image of the country such as the Bush administration.


Oh my fucking god. Do you really believe that shit? Oh no... this is why the world is really fucked up... They shouldn't be there in the first place.
And please give me the source of that "rule" of dog disposal, please.

Thats the worst excuse ever. Both animal and human lives must be respected. Even during a war. If they can't follow basic rules of engagement, if they can't behave like the so called "heros" as they're called, then they shouldn't even be allowed to enter the military. If you truly call yourself a "rational" person, from a developed country, then you shouldn't find killing animals a sport. Theres no discussion about that. Its all about ethics and morals.

I suggest you to read the Geneva Convention, the UDHR, and many other international laws. That might tell you something about the deontological code for soldiers.

Atleast you are educated. However, when you kill someone, DEPENDING upon how well your mind can even comprehend the situation, KILLING can make anyone, from Marine/soldier to murderer LOSE rationale... Let alone ethics and morals.

We are fighting people who do not fall underneath the Geneva Convention, nor the rules of ENGAGEMENT let alone the UCMJ or anything like that. THATS why I of all people had to pick up dead marines that went missing from their posts with screws in their face when their bodies showed back up at the same post.

And yes, YOU TRY keeping track of 400,000 some odd people joining the military, some of the less stable ones will slip through the cracks, and other people will follow them just so they can feel like they fit in.

So, killing deer isn't a form of sport for hunting season? Or let alone moose, or bears? Sorry, in some countries eating DOG is a delicacy. That includes puppies. So yes, just about every country out there that kills anything for sport is undeveloped.

I thats what i get from your post.

Is it a crime if you dont get caught? Nope, their trophy was that video and one of the Marines posted it. If they hadn't got caught it would have been swept under the rug.

Its our job to maim and kill. In the Navy they get medals for firing a pistol at someone. We dont get that because ITS our JOB.

You made very true points and for that i salute you. But in all reality, thats not how it is, and it probably wont ever change. It hasn't since the days of clubs and stones.

I tried to detain as many as i could when it came to te enemy. But truth be told. A dead body tells more stories than a live one. Because we arent allowed to torture them. But they can put screws in our faces and do whatever it is they feel to us.

If thats the case, where they are teaching kids how to make bomb vests and that suicide bombing in the name of whatever is a good thing. USING AN AMERICAN IDOL. (Albeit the costum really sucked, but it was still MICKEY MOUSE)

Then they need to be slaughtered without remorse. Cats, dogs, camels. Nobody ever really pays to much attention to the bombs being dropped.. WELL GEE!

Just think of how many puppies and kittens were pancaked by the 5k pounders we dropped over a few cities in Iraq

So if you want to preach Geneva and human and animal rights... Preach it to them buddy, because either way.. They are the greater of two evils when it comes to both.

The actions of just a few marines, doesnt mean they are all just like him.


*EDIT-- Hold up a damn minute... Water boarding that went on in the bay of POWS... Lawl. Like thats real toture... Its just an illusion to make someone think they are drowning. No, real torture... They are the masters of it.

And YES. We were instructed to silence any animals so they wouldnt give us away. Wether it would be written or not. That came down from the top. The more i read, the more i realize that you are more blind and ignorant. That is one of the very many tactics we are taught from week two of training. Just because it isn't in freaking writing, which it probably is... Doesn't mean its not a common practice.

Keep burrying yourface in the legal documents, and i will keep showing you the loop holes.

First off, I understood you are at least more educated than some of the nimble-minded twits that prance in here.
However, I also sensed a feeling of disgust in this part:

If you think it's a "fine and dandy" job, I suggest you sign yourself up the next time you pass an armed forces career center.
I don't think you can comprehend what me, Don, or any other Armed Force member has/ had to go through.
Iraqi terrorists don't have rules of engagement. How do you expect us to deal with ruthless, moral-less enemies without first lowering ourselves a little to better face them?
You can only learn so much from TV and movies, etc.
The rest comes from experience.