Perfection? Is that when a society is tailor-made for each individual? That of course is not achievable, at least not by traditional means.
In the BNW, Mr. Ford solved the problem of human suffering by simply disabling variation. Everyone was 'perfectly designed' for one of several castes, and their happiness was pretty much guaranteed. Still, most outsiders would find this society a bizarre experiment and lacking something dear to us.
As long as there is variation (which is a crucial mechanism of life), there will be those who suffer extra and those who benefit extra. We can minimize it, of course, but not eradicate it (without altering ourselves in a big way). This is why I think automatically blaming the society is unreasonable. Nature is as much at fault, which is really the same as saying "nobody is".
In the BNW, Mr. Ford solved the problem of human suffering by simply disabling variation. Everyone was 'perfectly designed' for one of several castes, and their happiness was pretty much guaranteed. Still, most outsiders would find this society a bizarre experiment and lacking something dear to us.
As long as there is variation (which is a crucial mechanism of life), there will be those who suffer extra and those who benefit extra. We can minimize it, of course, but not eradicate it (without altering ourselves in a big way). This is why I think automatically blaming the society is unreasonable. Nature is as much at fault, which is really the same as saying "nobody is".
Last edited by Odlov; Jan 30, 2011 at 05:47 AM.
Saying society is at fault for suicides is like saying cigarettes are the only/main cause of cancer.
There are hundreds upon thousands of variables when it comes to overall enjoyment of life, whether it be biological, situational, or even genetic. You can't really pin it down to what causes a person to be driven to suicide because everything* effects our mood.
There are hundreds upon thousands of variables when it comes to overall enjoyment of life, whether it be biological, situational, or even genetic. You can't really pin it down to what causes a person to be driven to suicide because everything* effects our mood.
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I bet over half of you don't personally know anybody who has committed suicide. My grandpa shot himself back in 02 due to pain. He had been through at least 8-9 heart attacks and had just gotten released from the hospital due to another one. He lived a good life, had an excellent reputation, and had pretty much fulfilled his life dreams. He just couldn't stand the pain of any more heart attacks.
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Originally Posted by Gorman
Come now Odlov, we both know this topic comes up a lot.
I consider no losses to be acceptable. Perfection is something we should strive to achieve. The day we say "well, this is good enough" is the day we stop trying to improve, and the day that things start moving backwards.
What we have now will never be enough, and that too is part of the strengths of life.
Originally Posted by tacoBELL
I bet over half of you don't personally know anybody who has committed suicide. My grandpa shot himself back in 02 due to pain. He had been through at least 8-9 heart attacks and had just gotten released from the hospital due to another one. He lived a good life, had an excellent reputation, and had pretty much fulfilled his life dreams. He just couldn't stand the pain of any more heart attacks.
I see where you're coming from. But I guess that he feared the fear of death.
Let me add something to think about.
What doesn't kill you or maim/disable you, will only make you stronger, and ready for the future.
Keep that in mind.
