HTOTM: FUSION
Originally Posted by AikidoKP View Post
Again, I completely agree, but it still runs into problems. Such as the multiculturalism sprouting up in Western countries; some minorities feel their group is being suppressed, and it's their "right" to hold onto their culture/religion/views even though they chose to move away from them. But again, different issue.

Well, modern Western democracies are founded on principles of freedom and equal opportunity, which is precisely why they attract so many immigrants. Are modern Western laws better than, say, Sharia law? Its a matter of opinion, and I can bet my balls most people in the world would agree.

The problem with filtering out hazards, is it's just that those in power, as you said, hold their own view of right and wrong, of personal "rights and responsibilities". If they've been given the power to decide, then anyone who holds different views can be prosecuted. Take the witch hunts back in the day, or the 'holy' wars going on today.

Ok, care to advance a model of society that completely avoids that problem?
There will always be people who dislike a particular moral and legal framework of a country. Im sure you don't disagree with ALL laws of your country (like isolating serial rapist murderers).
Last edited by Odlov; Mar 24, 2011 at 02:11 PM.
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
Well, modern Western democracies are founded on principles of freedom and equal opportunity, which is precisely why they attract so many immigrants. Are modern Western laws better than, say, Sharia law? Its a matter of opinion, and I can bet my balls most people in the world would agree.

True, and yes they are better than most. Having grown up in the western world I've come to notice a few things that don't seem to make sense, such as job quotas and minority grants/scholarships. I'm all for helping, but I figure it should be help all or none, equal opportunity.

Ok, care to advance a model of society that completely avoids that problem?
There will always be people who dislike a particular moral and legal framework of a country. Im sure you don't disagree with ALL laws of your country (like isolating serial rapist murderers).

Strict Utilitarianism using the Harm Principle.
The Harm Principle would take precedence to eliminate the usual objection to Utilitarianism where the majority could elect to kill off a random person.

No, I don't agree with every law we have, but I can live by them if need be.
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Originally Posted by Decashine View Post
humans are greedy, selfish monsters. nuff said.

Humans are animals. An animal will not feed a stranger when he himself wants food. Animals compete for territory and like power. The difference between animals and us is that we do it the smart and witty way. We can blow shit up for instance. People seem to have this funny notion that people are these corrupt and evil beigns but at the end we are just doing what nature tells us to do. We survive.
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Originally Posted by sid View Post
Humans are animals. An animal will not feed a stranger when he himself wants food. Animals compete for territory and like power. The difference between animals and us is that we do it the smart and witty way. We can blow shit up for instance. People seem to have this funny notion that people are these corrupt and evil beigns but at the end we are just doing what nature tells us to do. We survive.

No humans are not animals. Can any other animal do calculus and trigonometry to form a building that reaches the sky, or can an animal turn a normal piece of paper into a masterpiece that mesmerizes all that look upon it, can an animal split the atoms of a molecule, creating vast amounts of energy enough to wipe out entire civilizations? God I certainly hope not or we'd all be screwed! I think no, lifeforms cannot be equal or else we'd have antelopes eating lions among other things. But then again when a lion dies it becomes the grass, therefore, antelopes do actually eat lions creating a chain that we all know as the circle of life. so i pose this question. Can a circle be even and have equal sides, and where exactly do we "mankind" fit on that circle?
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Originally Posted by floop78 View Post
No humans are not animals. Can any other animal do calculus and trigonometry to form a building that reaches the sky, or can an animal turn a normal piece of paper into a masterpiece that mesmerizes all that look upon it, can an animal split the atoms of a molecule, creating vast amounts of energy enough to wipe out entire civilizations? God I certainly hope not or we'd all be screwed! I think no, lifeforms cannot be equal or else we'd have antelopes eating lions among other things. But then again when a lion dies it becomes the grass, therefore, antelopes do actually eat lions creating a chain that we all know as the circle of life. so i pose this question. Can a circle be even and have equal sides, and where exactly do we "mankind" fit on that circle?

Thankfully, a human isn't born with the ability to cause atomic explosions. We learn and all, but the way we act is a modern reflection on how animals interact with each other. Big bad wolf (us) eats the sheep (moneys). Anyways, we got out of "the circle" when we started beating farm animals with a stick. Right now we're self sufficient with an itch for expansion, that can only mean bad news for the aniamls chilling in survival of the fittest land.
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Originally Posted by floop78 View Post
No humans are not animals. Can any other animal do calculus and trigonometry to form a building that reaches the sky, or can an animal turn a normal piece of paper into a masterpiece that mesmerizes all that look upon it, can an animal split the atoms of a molecule, creating vast amounts of energy enough to wipe out entire civilizations? God I certainly hope not or we'd all be screwed! I think no, lifeforms cannot be equal or else we'd have antelopes eating lions among other things. But then again when a lion dies it becomes the grass, therefore, antelopes do actually eat lions creating a chain that we all know as the circle of life. so i pose this question. Can a circle be even and have equal sides, and where exactly do we "mankind" fit on that circle?

Humans are animals. Great apes.
That doesn't mean we aren't exceptional in some ways, since we are the smartest animal on Earth.