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i completly agree with gorman on this subject.

i watched the whole vid and didnt even remotely care. theyll die anyway, so whats the point in caring if they die soon enough? (wasnt a question. so dont answer it.)

point is, either the whole world has to care and stop eating meat.
or, all of you should just face these things happen.

Keep enjoying that steak people!
^this i am also agreeing but if you have a heart you atleast are shocked about these things
carrying about this video only shows that most people have a heart
Originally Posted by TheCobra View Post
^this i am also agreeing but if you have a heart you atleast are shocked about these things
carrying about this video only shows that most people have a heart

then i most likely dont have a heart, but am i even able to live then?

the old saying of: you dont have a heart.
such a cliche.
Originally Posted by JustKerry View Post
i will just allow them

I misread that as "swallow them".

Originally Posted by TheCobra View Post
^this i am also agreeing but if you have a heart you atleast are shocked about these things
carrying about this video only shows that most people have a heart

Stop trying to bully people into thinking the same way as you.
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Originally Posted by Fishies View Post
Just watching the first ten seconds make me shudder. Espeicially when they showed the pigs mouth. Thats when I exited.

What has the world come to?

So. This happens everyday. If you weren't aware this happened, then you are ignorant. In reality you will forgot about the video tomorrow and go back to eating meat. So unless you plan on becoming a vegetarian and stop directly supporting the industry, stop being a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Redundant View Post
It is not a question of decision but a question of ethics.
A government could easily pass laws that prohibit cruelty like that.
The production would be a little more expensive, but that is a minor side effect that the market will adapt and get used to.

The government isn't going to pass through laws which make companies financially suffer, especially in this day and age. Neither will they raise the price of meat to the consumer. Also, I like how you say a little more expensive without really knowing much on the subject. Now I don't claim to but I think we can both speculate treating these animals like house-pets would not be cheap.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
The only discussion going on here is "animal abuse is okay because we don't care," replied to with "you're stupid and heartless," etc.

There's no justification for animal abuse, and neither is there any point in remaking this topic 3 times.

edit: mookiefish is a troll and needs to be removed from local mod already.

No, we're not justifying animal abuse. We're arguing that the current methods used in the slaughter house industry are humane enough to be deemed acceptable.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
I'm pretty sure this isn't vegetarianism vs. omnivores, it's "omg look at people beating animals."

Last I checked tenderizing them via a crowbar to the face was not part of the typical slaughterhouse procedure.

None of us are trying to justify the senseless cruelty in the video. Yes, it's illegal and quite disgusting to watch, in that case perhaps animals should have more rights and owners/company workers should face harsher punishments for uneeded suffering dealt upon these animals.

Originally Posted by UberAnkles View Post
watching that video was horrible..
i felt like i eating meat is bad.
humans need a more humane way to sort the mean issue.

and with those male chicks.
what is with that. why would u kill them all because they dont lay.
they should be given to some sort of farm.(not that type of farm)

It said in the video why the male chicks are not kept. They don't grow fast enough to make them profitable. Seems like a shame, but that's life I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by TheCobra View Post
Well.. meat is meat thats what we eat we dont want to make any cannibals in the world...
but this isnt the right way to get the meat from animals, if i would just see one of them i would smash their head right into the ground like they did with the animals... horrible people nowadays dont give a fuck about how a animal feels...

Stunning and cutting the throat of the animal is actually quite humane. Like I have said over and over again the methods in the video may look shocking or brutal but they have been developed over a long time to be efficient whilst keeping the animal's suffering to a minimum.

Originally Posted by TheCobra View Post
^this i am also agreeing but if you have a heart you atleast are shocked about these things
carrying about this video only shows that most people have a heart

No, I am not shocked. I was perfectly aware that this happened. Sure, I don't enjoy seeing it. Especially the botched killing and cruelty for the sake of cruelty. But no, other than that, this happens everyday and I am willing to accept that it is necessary.
Originally Posted by FreshPrins View Post


Stop trying to bully people into thinking the same way as you.

have i ever said i love you?

the thread is filled with people against it, wich is obviously fine with me. but, as i stated in my previous post. you dont have a heart is way to cliche.

what most seem to forget is another cliche they always use.

Humans will never change.

Now please tell me, how did our ancestors kill those animals again? oh yeah, even worse then what it is now.

also, i like to bring up a point. wich nobody has said yet to my suprise.

Halal meat.
Takkrala you're dying very, very soon on the big scale. I bet you still would prefer that for the last day/hour of your life you wouldn't be tortured like that.

The way those animals are killed/mutilated is unnecessarily brutal. For to bring that pork chop to our dining table 30 seconds earlier we need to make each and every one of those billions of living, breathing things like ourselves suffer more than you could imagine in your small mind.

What's the purpose of this?

Do we just want to feed our people because it's morally right for US as human beings?- At the current rate of consumption we already need 8 earths to support our needs so that's not an excuse, we just want more and more. What's the goal of a species like ourselves'? If it truly is to achieve better economy we might as well kill all the disabled and ill people since they are no use to the development of our societies- that's what we humans are for, conquer new lands and secure our place as the leading species.
Last edited by Jire; May 3, 2011 at 02:59 PM.
Originally Posted by Jire View Post
Takkrala you're dying very, very soon on the big scale. I bet you still would prefer that for the last day/hour of your life you wouldn't be tortured like that.

are you now trying to pursway me with a useless put yourself in their hoofs kind of thing?

to be honoust, NO i would not care. as i said previously, i would be dieing anyway. + the things you see in life, what you have done in life etc. are more painful then the phisical pain anyone could ever do to you.

Originally Posted by Jire View Post
The way those animals are killed/mutilated is unnecessarily brutal. For to bring that pork chop to our dining table 30 seconds earlier we need to make each and every one of those billions of living, breathing things like ourselves suffer more than you could imagine in your small mind.

are you saying i have a small mind? now thats sounds like an insult. too bad my mind is to big to insult you back.

Originally Posted by Jire View Post
What's the purpose of this?

Obviously to feed people, whats the other reason? fun? okay.

Originally Posted by Jire View Post
Do we want to feed our people?- At the current rate of consumption we already need 8 earths to support our needs so that's not an excuse. What's the goal of a species like ourselves'? If it truly is to achieve better economy we might as well kill all the disabled and ill people since they are no use to the development of our societies- that's what we humans are for, conquer new lands and secure our place as the leading species.

our purpose is to die. and live happy.
It's not cliche, it's just forcing his/her opinion on others and implying they're morally wrong which has no place in a "discussion".

Stunning is a lot more pleasant than being hunted down and eaten alive like the predators of these animals would do.

Canadian wolves devour the entire carcasses of cows and the only remaining evidence the cattle existed are the grass that was in the cow's stomach and sometimes an eartag. You may complain about the pain of the stun but that is less than a second before they are paralysed and after they paralysed, they're dead. It's really the best way.
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