Originally Posted by TheCobra
^this i am also agreeing but if you have a heart you atleast are shocked about these things
carrying about this video only shows that most people have a heart
Here is the direct quote.
You say "if you have a heart, you are at least shocked about these things". You are trying to sabotage the credibility of someone who may not be shocked by it by questioning their morals. I'm not shocked about it because I've known this goes on since I was a small child. If I'm not shocked, it doesn't mean I don't dislike what's happening and I'm not a bad person. Stop trying to bully people into the same way of thinking as you. This is discussion, not judge everyone because of their views.
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Originally Posted by FreshPrins
Here is the direct quote.
You say "if you have a heart, you are at least shocked about these things". You are trying to sabotage the credibility of someone who may not be shocked by it by questioning their morals. I'm not shocked about it because I've known this goes on since I was a small child. If I'm not shocked, it doesn't mean I don't dislike what's happening and I'm not a bad person. Stop trying to bully people into the same way of thinking as you. This is discussion, not judge everyone because of their views.
There is no way that merely knowing about it would desensitise you.
You should be shocked.
Originally Posted by Gorman
Now now Boredpayne, just because I said what I said under that pretext does not make the points any less valid.
If you cannot successfully counter the points that you so clearly think are poor, then really whose fault is it?
There is certainly no need to insult anyone over it.
Just pointing out that your arguments are not up to your usual standard, hardly insulting.
Originally Posted by Gorman
Hoi hoi, a human life is worth far more than an animals.
From a legal standpoint it is worth more, from a moral standpoint it is worth more, from a social standpoint it is worth more. I am not sure how you could think that an animal is equal to a human.
Ignoring the point to pick apart the analogy, fun.
Originally Posted by Gorman
Once again hoi hoi, I don't agree with senseless violence on any level. However, going out of your way to stun a cow before slaughtering it is just as needless.
Hoi hoi? You just essentially said that the make-a-wish foundation is pointless. I realize that other species are not humans. They still have emotions, they still feel pain. Even if many of their thought processes are instinctive, they use rudimentary reason (proven a hundred times over with crows, dolphins, etc.). If in the end if you're consuming them simply because you like the taste of meat, you should have an obligation to treat them reasonably well in the meantime.
Originally Posted by Gorman
I can't submit to going out of ones way to cause violence, or going out of ones way to make things more comfortable for a doomed animal. Even if you dress the cow in the finest silk and give it a last meal of caviar and sea-grass, at the end of the day it is going to die.
And it will die satisfied.
Originally Posted by Gorman
"It happens often so we shouldn't care" is a perfectly valid argument. Would you want to live near a volcano? Or in an earthquake prone area? Of course if you are given the choice in this manner you say no. Yet, many volcanoes have entire cities in their shadow and many fault lines have just as much. Seeing it like this may shock you, but I can garauntee that with every passing second the shock is draining away, soon enough you will understand it is normal.
You are confusing the point. Yes, you may become acclimated to certain natural phenomenon (good luck becoming acclimated to your house falling down every few years, but that's besides the point). But this doesn't at all mean you will or should become acclimated to your neighbor being killed by pyroclastic flow.
Originally Posted by Gorman
What is more important, humans or animals?
The answer is so obvious that it hurts me to even inform you, the answer is 'humans'.
Fight the pain and keep spreading the truth, man.
Originally Posted by Gorman
The simple truth is that these animals live only so they can die for us.
Therefore they should die painfully.
We breed them in tiny cages and then cruelly slaughter them with malfunctioning stunning techniques and what are essentially giant blenders, saying that's justified simply because they happened to be born in our tiny cages is ridiculous.
@Fee: Toughen up? You realize throwing away baby male chicks born to egg-laying chickens is a standard practice? By throwing away I mean either
A. Ground up alive
B. Thrown into trashcans to be suffocated
No fee, they're totally not that bad.
Last edited by Boredpayne; May 5, 2011 at 06:33 AM.
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Originally Posted by BoredPayne
you should have an obligation to treat them reasonably well in the meantime.
Why should we?
Animals live to kill or be killed.
Do lions treat gazelles like royalty before they slaughter them?
Do Eagles pity rabbits?
Likewise with humans. Instinct is to hunt for food. We don't care about
the food's feelings.
People don't go out of there way to make animals feel bad or good.
We just use efficient processing.
