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vate has just about told my life time story,as i was raised as a christian,i never really payed much attention to it, as i went to a state school(normal school) not a cathlic school, i was am...like a outcast from my family and cousins, as all of them went to a cathlic school, and had comunions and confirmations,(they are like, to purify you from all of your sins).

I apologize, but I am christian and was babtised; yet my belief is not of a christian. I am basically an atheist, I do not believe in god, Heaven or Hell the stories told by books or other religious believers. How i see it is im yet to be proven wrong; i have not seen a miracle, and people who claim that they have seen a miracle, something which had a 1 in 1 million chance of happening, seem to disregard the existence of everything that has existed, is existing and will ever exist. The universe is constantly expanding, becoming larger and larger. There are Trillions upon trillions upon trillions of different things in the universe. Until i am proven wrong i cannot see how a god can reward people for killing others, how he can chose wealthy people to survive and yet have so many others in 3rd world countries suffering. It doesn't make sense in my mind. (I do not mean to offend anyone if i have i apologize)

macca it shouldent offend anyone, because its your opinion. one thing though, what do you mean by a "miracle'?

Miracle, you know some had cancer and it went away, or they were in a bad situation which then became good, when they say i only had a one and a million chance, first thing is there are 7 billion people in the world therefore the situation could occur another 7000 times. I just dont believe in miracles, random chance yes, but not miracles.

owww, i know what you mean, usually take it as a very very very lucky person, thats most of the time,i'd only take it as a miracle if it happened right infront of me.

Miracles are very subjective.In ancient times a rainbow was considered a miracle,because the ancient people could not explain how it occured.Now we can,and you can see many little rainbows in many carwashes.Some miracle.

What do we call a miracle today ? The sky turning purple ? All diseases suddenly dying out ? Money falling from the sky('cause you know,people regularly kill for money) ? All of the "evil" people dying out ? The ten commandments appearing over every city,town and village ? Yeah,sure.If something occurs and we can't yet explain it,we simply don't know it well enough.The way I see it,dismissing something as a miracle is a sign of people abandoning independent thinking and attrubiting it to a higher power/intelligence."Oh,we can't do it,so it can't be done.If it happens,someone else did it".It is one of the things I can't stand about religion,people refusing to accept personal responsibility.

- I just won a tournament ! Thank you,God !
- No,you won a tournament after rigorous training.God had nothing to do with it.

Ever notice how when something bad happens,it's always a person's fault ? Nobody blames a deity.
But when something good happens - oh,sure,let's praise the Lord for allowing it to happen and for helping us achieve it.

Now,about miracles.I'll tell you about some miracles.

30th January,2008 - The cat I grew up with since I was 3 years old died of a brain tumor.He was my oldest and best friend.About a month before that,I noticed he wasn't acting normally.So we took him to a vet.He said it could be an artery problem,or a brain tumor.He prescribed some pills about the arteries,but said nothing could be done if it was a tumor.I followed the vet's instructions.Starting 2 weeks before his death,I had to force-feed my cat because he had stopped eating.No improvement at all.We took him to the vet every week.I was forced to watch as my closest creature lost weight,lost his vision,lost his voice and couldn't walk normally.Brain surgery was impossible,as it would kill him.Finally I realized that this was no life at all.At the time we were poor,my parents were going through a bad divorce and my sister was around 2 years old.We needed a freaking miracle.Guess what,it didn't happen.At one point I was researching painless methods for ending my cat's life,so he didn't have to suffer anymore.I wasn't sure if we had money for him to get euthanized.The last week I was willing to sell everything I had in order to be able to end his suffering.On 30th of January,using our last money,we put him to sleep.We had taken him from a village we were visiting 12 or 13 years ago,when he was a weak kitten barely walking through 30cm of snow.A completely innocent creature had to spend his last weeks in suffering.Why ? Was that in God's divine plan ? Bullshit.

So believe what you want about miracles,luck,and karma.Life isn't fair.

A childhood friend of mine was recently robbed and nearly killed in the process.Did he deserve it ? Hell no.But it happened.He's now paralyzed from the waist down.
In a few days I'm visiting my grandmother in another city,as she is dying of cancer.She is the kindest woman I know.Why does she have to die,while serial rapists are alive and well?
(All of these are true.I have no self-pity.I am simply disillusioned with reality.)

Yeah,miracles.Whatever you say.Oh,but the good people will live a blissful life in heaven.And the evil people will forever burn in hell.I wish.Everyone has to face the consequences in this f*cking reality,not in one not proven to exist.So I do my best to treat people the way they deserve to be treated.I am solely responsible for my actions,I have free will,a limited freedom and I think for myself.I am not a sheep,I do not need a shepherd.I control myself.

However,I can't deny that churches,christian shelters,budhist monasteries and the like have helped a great many people.A church nearby feeds the homeless.
But it is the people inside it that do that,not the building.Not the deity they worship.

One more thing.If I believed in the christian god and had a chance to meet him,I'd do my best to kill him.If this universe has a creator,he deserves to suffer and to die.If this reality is the work of a supreme being,I am not impressed.But I have no rational reason to believe such a being exists.I can't hate something I don't believe exists.Humans,on the other hand ... we exist.And if it were up to me,there would be a lot less of us on this planet.

Heh. I'm really disappointed about you losing your cool there. Thought you just wanted to live your own way. Now you want to kill a god. If I were you I'd just keep it all to myself but since this is the Internet and people don't know you in real life you can say whatever you want. Honestly I was kinda offended by what you said but your belief is none of my business so it's best that I don't troll on you BUT I don't want you to say things like God's plans are bullshit. Call me crazy or stupid or an idiot for believing in God but I will never be an atheist. No one can really explain how Everything started but our best lead right now is the Bible but like what you said before, why not believe in harrypotter since its a book too. Well it's your choice in where to believe in. We have every right to religion. I'm not telling you all this because I want you to believe in God this is my opinion and what I believe in. I dont want you mocking my beliefs. Imagine this, I say fuck you to atheist because you dot believe in God. It's like that when you mock my religion so of course you fight back because you think being an atheist is right because that's what you believe in.

I know most of you here are atheists.

Like I said,I'm not referring to just the god you believe in.I simply believe this universe does not have a creator.However,if I believe it had a creator,I would say he deserves no less.If a man created ... a pocket universe - identical to ours,but on a much smaller scale - and he had total and absolute control over every atom/molecule/creature in it,he would be ultimately responsible for it.Any good things in that universe would be thanks to him,as would any bad things.If that man made the creatures suffer when he could have avoided it,he is cruel.It is my point that I would like all cruel things eradicated.

There are many religions in the world,and there are even more gods.But not all of them say a god created this place.
Christianity enforces that.According to it,the God of the bible created everything.
Islam is similar,according to it Allah created everything and the purpose of life is to worship him.
According to ancient greek religion,in the beginning there was only chaos.Until a higher power introduced order and created the gods.
Buddhists explicitly reject a creator.Their purpose is to achieve nirvana.

I didn't say the christian god's plan is bullshit.I stated that I sincerely doubt any of the things in my life are in anyone's plan.I can't think his plan is stupid without accepting that he has a plan.I have no reason to believe that he exists(or his plan exists,for that matter).But if I thought that he did,it would be fair to hold him responsible for everything.Good and bad.Meaning he would have to face the consequences of all the bad things he's supposedly created.

I wasn't trying to mock you,and I won't call you crazy,stupid,or an idiot.Because you are not.You believe your best bet is the Bible,I don't share that belief.I don't have a grudge against you,but if I though he existed,I would have a grudge towards your god.I never said you don't have a right to religion.By all means,be as religious as you like.Just don't expect me to support religion.

But you are wrong if you think I haven't stated this multiple times in real life.It has led to many problems.I even had a couple of teachers that instantly started to dislike me when they found out I'm not religious.They even tried to make religion a school subject for schools here last year,I'm glad they failed.I was met with heavy criticism when I had a serious discussion with one church representative and I told him I consider teaching youngsters religion child abuse.Of course seconds after that the guy told me I would burn in hell for blasphemy.During a high school class.Heh.It didn't matter to me.Stand up for what you believe in,even if it means standing alone.Of course the teacher didn't like my attitude,since standing up to authority doesn't sit good with most people.Well,it does with me.

I respect people's opinions as long as they respect mine.That is the case with you,and we get along.However,if I tried to convert you to atheism(which I'm not going to) and you tried to convert me to christianity(which I doubt you're going to),we would both fail.If you were me,you'd keep it to yourself.That's where we're different

It really doesn't matter,though.I live my life by my rules.I have a personal code of honor.I don't force anyone else to abide by it,even if I think it would be better that way.Not trying to troll you or anything,though I can't imagine how each of us could troll the other one.

you are lucky.. religion has been a school subject like forever.. and why should everyone believe/not in some "higher power"? I just dont care.
You know why pentagram is known as evil symbol?
Because every scientist back then used it as a tattoo, so they could recognize each other on the streets. "Why the pentagram?" you man ask.. well because thats one damn mathematical shape.. since science could have explained many "miracles" happening by that time, church "cursed" the symbol and so on. Many other stuff is made by church too to convince that god is there and so on.. I personally believe only in things where there's waterproof evidence of it..