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If you take into account the law of inertia(I assume you all know what it is) then all you have to do is get up to an extreamly fast speed and then you just stop, it will keep going. However 42 light years is very very very far, that wouldn't be possible for quite some time, but it could be.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
I think he assumes that a powerful thinking machine would be able to quickly produce new knowledge, perhaps using simulation or just deductive reasoning.

It's not a far stretch to imagine, especially if we assume quantum computers are invented by that point. You could simulate all possible laws of physics and come up with new ones or correct old ones, in a few seconds.

^^^^

If the computer could learn from its environment, and develop more and more knowledge, faster than any human could, assuming the computer has a more powerful 'mind', it could possibly teach us at some point (after many years of programming and adapting).
I don't know too much about this, and I kinda butchered it, but it was just an idea. Hopefully its possible in our lifetime.
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Originally Posted by PlataBear View Post
If you take into account the law of inertia(I assume you all know what it is) then all you have to do is get up to an extreamly fast speed and then you just stop, it will keep going. However 42 light years is very very very far, that wouldn't be possible for quite some time, but it could be.

Hah, but the problem is, it would take 42 years to get there, traveling at the speed of light. Hell, we can't even get close to traveling at the speed of light, as of now, other than a propelling a single neutrino.You would definitely need something that can accelerate, and propel in space if you want to reach that in the next million years.
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Yea, it's very unlikely that we will get to 42 ly's
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Man how is this not off-topic.

but anyway: no way man. we will destroy ourselves before we could even do that and to do something like this would require some sort of faster then light speed which probably isnt possible. Or I guess we could have some cryogenic stuff or something
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No. The thing isn't if we will or won't be able to reach 42 ly's, the question lies in weather we should do it. Just because we can do something doesn't always neccessarily mean that we should do it. And in terms of scientific astronomical progress, we still have yet to successfully land a manned spacecraft on a terrestrial planet.

More on topic and to be specific to the question, no I don't think we will. Firstly, even NASA, being the world's top space exploration agency, would not be able to afford something as big as this. Secondly, as Boredpayne has pointed out, there is a profound lack of resources to even attempt to experiment with this. Thirdly, even it is more or less impossible for a human to survive a speed needed for this to succeed. Can you imagine yourself going over 1 billion miles per hour constantly for 42 years?
Originally Posted by Klux View Post
No. The thing isn't if we will or won't be able to reach 42 ly's, the question lies in weather we should do it. Just because we can do something doesn't always neccessarily mean that we should do it. And in terms of scientific astronomical progress, we still have yet to successfully land a manned spacecraft on a terrestrial planet.

More on topic and to be specific to the question, no I don't think we will. Firstly, even NASA, being the world's top space exploration agency, would not be able to afford something as big as this. Secondly, as Boredpayne has pointed out, there is a profound lack of resources to even attempt to experiment with this. Thirdly, even it is more or less impossible for a human to survive a speed needed for this to succeed. Can you imagine yourself going over 1 billion miles per hour constantly for 42 years?

Firstly, you don't have to travel at the speed of light, and under current theory it would be impossible for us to achieve that in the foreseeable future.
Secondly why shouldn't we visit the nearest earth-like planet?
Thirdly we can easily perform a manned mission, it's a real non-issue. If NASA wanted to / wasn't having it's budget cut, then it would be doing this in 2 years time anyway.
Fourthly, even with 'Muricans being dumb enough to cut spending on their space program (which brings in the best bang for your buck) NASA still has plenty of do this in the future.
I think matters is 42 light years will be dead by the the time we get there
And also we need a hyper jump :0 ship that is capable of living like home like wall-e
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42 x 5.87849981e12 miles/LY = 2.4689...e14

Or, if you want to look at it in its actual scale: 246,896,990,000,000 miles

Obviously, manned flight won't be possible unless we can find a way to stop aging. Even if we accomplish that, the sheer G-force of travelling at near light speed would kill the person anyway.

So, we'll probably have to find some way to bypass this distance. I have no doubt that we'll discover a way to harness the power of wormholes, but the question is how long this will take. Having to use dark matter/energy, in my opinion, will take way too long to master, because we don't necessarily know all of its properties or activity, and probably never will, albeit we don't know much about wormholes either, but significantly more than dark energy. The discovery of the Higgs Boson may help, as being able to use the Higgs field to apply an incredible amount of force on the spaceship would make it go faster, but there has to be an immense amount of research, at least 50-60 years before we even have an idea of how to travel this far in a relatively short time.
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Originally Posted by SilentAssassin View Post
42 x 5.87849981e12 miles/LY = 2.4689...e14

Or, if you want to look at it in its actual scale: 246,896,990,000,000 miles

Obviously, manned flight won't be possible unless we can find a way to stop aging. Even if we accomplish that, the sheer G-force of travelling at near light speed would kill the person anyway.

So, we'll probably have to find some way to bypass this distance. I have no doubt that we'll discover a way to harness the power of wormholes, but the question is how long this will take. Having to use dark matter/energy, in my opinion, will take way too long to master, because we don't necessarily know all of its properties or activity, and probably never will, albeit we don't know much about wormholes either, but significantly more than dark energy. The discovery of the Higgs Boson may help, as being able to use the Higgs field to apply an incredible amount of force on the spaceship would make it go faster, but there has to be an immense amount of research, at least 50-60 years before we even have an idea of how to travel this far in a relatively short time.

On hole I'm going to poke is, we get a shit load of people on this space ship... pretty much start their own world in it. Teach people to fly the spaceship, and then in turn be able to fly to Alpha Centuri.



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Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
Secondly why shouldn't we visit the nearest earth-like planet?

There are more important and immediately beneficial things that can be done with the immense money, time and manpower that such a project will cost. It took around 10 years of testing and development using the finest minds of a generation along with $200 billion to put a man on the moon. Although yes, a lot of important technological advancements were made as a side effect, that does not mean that said discoveries couldn't possibly have been made without it. I think that the investment would have been better placed in the US school system. Can you even begin to imagine what it would be like to live in a world where Americans are all educated as well as Finns?

Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
Thirdly we can easily perform a manned mission, it's a real non-issue. If NASA wanted to / wasn't having it's budget cut, then it would be doing this in 2 years time anyway.

Do you genuinely believe that? If so I don't think you're able to grasp how hideously complex and dangerous such a mission would be. But then, like I said before it is pointless for anyone except for people who work at NASA/Roscosmos/CNSA to speculate on such matters because it will not be happening in our lifetime.
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