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Well. All those HIC's are losing their jobs because they are being given to LIC's who do it for less so for all we know a LIC like India could one day be in the top 3 and countries like England may become an LIC and the process will repeat. I fail to see how a HIC would become an LIC but somewhere it's possible.
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
It also takes away job opportunities. First world countrymen expect first world wages and conditions. Transnational companies realise it's cheaper to pack up shop and move to countries where they can pay workers less in worse conditions. That's where all the middle-class jobs are going. This subsequently leads to a widening of the wealth gap and the host of issues that come with it. That's where we're all heading. Thanks to globalisation.

That's not true entirely. Restaurants, shops, builders, tradesmen, electricians, garbagemen, janitors, etc, there are tons of middle class jobs that can't be outsourced.

If your job gets taken by an 8 year old indian kid working at a sweatshop, then you should probably ask yourself "was this really a good career choice?"

But even though I say that, there's still a HUGE demand for in-country services that CAN be outsourced. Apparel, call centers, electronics, food, toys, etc, you can be sure you can find companies advertising "made locally" or "made in the USA" (or your country).

But remember a citizen of a first world country should have a first world education, they should be able to get a job that is actually useful and well paying and can't be performed by a third world child.

Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Globalisation also means all the countries are interconnected. So, when a country crashes, the negative effects tend to ripple through to other countries. Case in point, the GFC. It also accelerates the rate at which we fuck up our environment.

I think industrialisation was what ruined the environemnt, not globalisation. If anything, globalisation reduces the damage to the environment by encouraging specialisation.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
That's not true entirely. Restaurants, shops, builders, tradesmen, electricians, garbagemen, janitors, etc, there are tons of middle class jobs that can't be outsourced.

Regardless, you have a lot of people that did have jobs that now either don't or have lesser paying jobs. The jobs they've lost can't be recreated, they're gone for good. When goverments talk about creating new jobs, they're not these quality middle-class jobs, they're McJobs, low-paying (usually) unskilled jobs. The widening of the wealth gap is a recognized downside of globalisation...

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
I think industrialisation was what ruined the environemnt, not globalisation. If anything, globalisation reduces the damage to the environment by encouraging specialisation.

... as is the degradation of our environment. Industrialisation and globalisation are co-constitutive.
Last edited by Ele; May 16, 2014 at 05:10 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Regardless, you have a lot of people that did have jobs that now either don't or have lesser paying jobs. The jobs they've lost can't be recreated, they're gone for good. When goverments talk about creating new jobs, they're not these quality middle-class jobs, they're McJobs, low-paying (usually) unskilled jobs. The widening of the wealth gap is a recognized downside of globalisation...

Sorry, what country are you talking about? In most countries I know of unemployment is low.

If your country is facing unemployment problems because the citizens are not educated enough to take skilled jobs, then that is a different problem.

Is lack of education a problem directly created by globalisation? No, of course not!

If you lose X job, go find something else to do. There are jobs everywhere if you just look. Hell, I know people who have made their own companies--they literally just up and said 'I'm going to make a job for myself'!

Originally Posted by Ele View Post
... as is the degradation of our environment. Industrialisation and globalisation are co-constitutive.

I've never heard co-constructive used in that manner before, I'm only familiar with the grammatical construct. Are you saying each begets the other? Or that they are mutually beneficial?

Industrialization can exist without globalisation, and globalisation can exist without industrialisation, so I don't see any point in bringing this up--it's not relevant to the discussion really...
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Is lack of education a problem directly created by globalisation? No, of course not!

Well...not exactly. Some countries who take on globalization use kids as their tool and kids are then giving up education to work and earn money for their family. I think India is one? Not 100% sure though.

(I can't tell if this was sarcasm or what...)
Globalisation gives both advantages and disadvantages, but, the thing is, alot of people are being exploited and are working for less than a dollar per hour, while we enjoy all the food and supplies that have been shipped across the world, many people are doing cheap labour and suffering D:
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Originally Posted by Kradel View Post
Well...not exactly. Some countries who take on globalization use kids as their tool and kids are then giving up education to work and earn money for their family. I think India is one? Not 100% sure though.

(I can't tell if this was sarcasm or what...)

Remember the context of that quote was discussing unskilled labor in 1st world countries. Using India as an example doesn't quite fit!

I still don't think that's a consequence of globalisation though. Wouldn't you say it's more to do with industrialization (Europe also used children during that period) or capitalism?
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
I still don't think that's a consequence of globalisation though. Wouldn't you say it's more to do with industrialization (Europe also used children during that period) or capitalism?

It's a joint effort. It ties in with industrialisation and globalisation being co-constitutive (not constructive).
Globalisation supports and recieves support from capitalism. Benificial reflecting and mutually driving each other would be the best way to put it. They're good for each other.

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Sorry, what country are you talking about?

US mainly, but the same's true in European countries. Globalisation causes middle-class, export orientated jobs to run away from first world countries.

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
If your country is facing unemployment problems because the citizens are not educated enough to take skilled jobs, then that is a different problem.

Is lack of education a problem directly created by globalisation?

The problem isn't that our citizens aren't educated enough (lack of education isn't the problem), the problem is there aren't enough middle-class jobs for our citizens.
Last edited by Ele; May 18, 2014 at 02:09 PM.
Some of the worlds highest growth rates are from African Countries. It is ignorant to say/think all African countries are "poor", take for example a country like Angola growth rates higher then 10%, inflation falling and with such vast amounts of oil, I would not be surprised in 15years they wont be were Brazil is today in terms of GDP per capita. With my research, most economist would think that the main barrier to economic development is Debt and corruption. Globalisation is a good thing, it creates jobs for people and if more people have incomes then we would assume that more family's would be able to let their children have a education which will improve human capital. That is the start to a vibrant Economy.
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Originally Posted by Ele View Post
It's a joint effort. It ties in with industrialisation and globalisation being co-constitutive (not constructive).
Globalisation supports and recieves support from capitalism. Benificial reflecting and mutually driving each other would be the best way to put it. They're good for each other.

Sorry but I don't see how this causes a lack of education...

Originally Posted by Ele View Post
US mainly, but the same's true in European countries. Globalisation causes middle-class, export orientated jobs to run away from first world countries.

But by lowering the cost of commodities, it means that other pursuits can be opened.

There are many jobs today that would could not have existed without the cost of living being lowered to this extent.

I would say it's lack of adoption and progress, not globalization which is causing the problem.

Originally Posted by Ele View Post
The problem isn't that our citizens aren't educated enough (lack of education isn't the problem), the problem is there aren't enough middle-class jobs for our citizens.

There are other jobs to choose from though. For example trades are always on the rise, and with the ease of education it's much easier to move into a STEM career.

Even in jobs that are seen to be extinct, there is always artisan markets for clothing, food, etc.

It's just a question of adaptation.
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