Originally Posted by RedPanda

You see Mocucha, how many times has someone talked shit to you? I'm going to guess quite a lot. How many of them did you shoot? Gonna go on a wild hunch and say none.

Just because someone is thin skinned doesn't justify actions they've taken.
If they didn't kill 12 people because of what Charlie Hebdo illustrated what else could it be? I see no other motives other than a satiric cartoon or because they wanted to prove a point.

Both seem pointless to me and considered killing an innocent person which stands against the religion they were 'supposedly' fighting for.

A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen. The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran,[1][2] often in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)".[3][4][5]

Contemporary fundamentalists were often influenced by jurist Ibn Taymiyya's, and journalist Sayyid Qutb's, ideas on jihad. Ibn Taymiyya hallmark themes included

the permissibility of overthrowing a ruler who is classified as an unbeliever due to a failure to adhere to Islamic law,
the absolute division of the world into dar al-kufr and dar al-Islam,
the labeling of anyone not adhering to one's particular interpretation of Islam as an unbeliever, and
the call for blanket warfare against non-Muslims, particularly Jews and Christians.[76]

Originally Posted by Hyde

Maybe more people will jump on my "build a giant dome around the middle east" proposal.

It is not France's duty to police people who are not French citizens, or to integrate them into its society. Rather than deporting people, I think countries should close their borders to citizens of certain countries for a couple of decades. You can bet that if Sheikh Mahmood isn't allowed to party in Monaco because lowly citizen Habeeb's cousin is a terrorist, shit's going to get solved asap.

Originally Posted by Velair

In the Qu'ran there is also this term called Jihad and it also says killing is justifiable based on circumstance, for example killing a non islamic person aka a non believer in Allah is justifiable according to the Qu'ran

Originally Posted by xlr84life

No, the only justifiable reason to kill in Islam is in [bold]defence[/bold], if some is going to harm you, you may kill defensively, not offensively like what the Paris terrorist did, read the quote posted by Redpanda.

However, I'd love to know where you get this from the Quran.

"Before quoting things you should look deeper into the religion to fully understand the depth of it.

No they are not opposing there religion , they are following it.

The reason for this is that we can't all be one religion, then we lose diversity and are no longer humans.

Religion is dumb, it's not natural. Bugs don't pray to god every night and hope for a next day, they just live."


Jihad means "struggle", and the main Jihad which the Prophet emphasized iss the Jihad in oneself, being patient is a Jihad, quitting smoking is a Jihad, giving to the poor is a Jihad, being tolerant is a Jihad, killing innocent people is NOT Jihad, it's murder. Yes there is a Jihad which is related to war, but as I said earlier, it's only in defence.

LOL.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [DISBELIEF] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [DISBELIEF/WORSHIPPING OTHERS] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun[POLYTHEISTS/'EVIL' PEOPLE]" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare

MUH SELF DEFENSE
MUH HOLY BOOK SAYS SELF DEFENSE, IT DOESN'T SAY KILL ALL THE NONBELIEVERS DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT

"No they are not opposing there religion , they are following it."

Osama bin laden, ISIS and those terror groups would agree with you, but the other 99.9% of Muslims (1.5billion) will not agree. Why aren't 1.5billion of us doing it too? Because it's not what Islam is about.

Obviously you and many others are bad at following very clearly written text.

"Religion is dumb, it's not natural. Bugs don't pray to god every night and hope for a next day, they just live."

Awesome! You can talk to bugs?

Originally Posted by Hyde

It's not ridiculous at all.

Originally Posted by Ele

Creating a containment zone would immediately screw up relations with the countries within. It would essentially divorce us from the East. Overtly, that looks like a wonderful thing (I'm all for isolationism). But we rely on the East for resources. If there's a disruption in the oil trade, then that really does fuck up parts of the US economy (which then fucks up others). Energy security is a foundational component of national security.

I think, as a solution, instead of doming off the Middle East, we need to be focusing on becoming energy independent or (as I've said in this thread and others) we need to develop new energy sources.

Originally Posted by xlr84life

Oh, you didn't seem to quote the verses before and after, let me help you.

[SIZE=2.2][SIZE=2.2](189) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. (190) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (191) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (192) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. (193) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).[/SIZE][/SIZE]

Firstly, you have no idea what these verse is about. Which is a whole other story.
This verse is referring to the time of the prophet when he marched back into Makkah after the Muslims were driven away, no blood was spilt that day, it was a peaceful conquest. Then this verse came, giving the Makkans 4 four months to do what they want, which in the 4 months, no harm can be done to them unless in defence, as you can clearly see in the bolded text. but after that, They must either accept Islam or leave, if they havent done either of them, then they were given permission to kill, for they were already warned, and no one was killed anyways.

This verse does not apply anymore, it is only an instruction to the Prophet at that time.

It is not an instruction for the people of this time.


I like how you quote from an anti-muslim site.