Originally Posted by cowmeat
Again new level of smarts. " Does it matter if you kill them before or after birth? " Well me ejaculating into someones vagina doesnt instantly make a baby. There is a reason there is a set "date" after which abortion is illegal. A few week old fetus is nothing more than pile of cells with very limited functions.
This is a human worth ruining someones life over?
But if you dont ruin it, it will be a human. And its heartbeats starts at 4th-6th weeks. Is killing something going to be human and has its heart beating normal?
Also every creature have soul. Would you like to see your body being killed by your mom's permission? Dont you get angry when your mother decides something going to affect your life? What if your mother wanted you to die? Why they don't ask you? Do you think there's a living being can choose death instance of life?
Its simple. You can't decide if a creature gonna live or die. Its not your right.
Leon The Black
Originally Posted by IBlackleon
You can't decide if a creature gonna live or die. Its not your right.
So women don't have the right to control their own bodies? As soon as a fetus is in there, suddenly, the fetus becomes more important than the woman? You're weighing and comparing the rights of something that is already a fully developed human, vs something that merely has the potential to be. Imagine how you would feel about that if you were a woman being forced to have a baby you didn't want to have (for whatever reasons.. Could even be a rape baby like others here have mentioned).
Nah. Certainly not in the first 24 weeks, when the fetus can't feel pain or perceive anything. The fact that it's life is totally moot point as far as I'm concerned, since I don't think of killing as categorically wrong. What makes some acts of killing wrong (on my view) are factors like infliction of suffering (not the case with fetus) and thwarting of desires (not the case with fetus).
I'll tell you who can feel suffering and has desires, though: the pregnant woman. She shouldn't be forced to carry the fetus to term if she doesn't want to.
I'll tell you who can feel suffering and has desires, though: the pregnant woman. She shouldn't be forced to carry the fetus to term if she doesn't want to.
Originally Posted by Ele
So women don't have the right to control their own bodies? As soon as a fetus is in there, suddenly, the fetus becomes more important than the woman? You're weighing and comparing the rights of something that is already a fully developed human, vs something that merely has the potential to be.
No. Treating them by their strength is the worst thing to do. Do we have to listen strong one? But a fetus cant even defend itself. Cant say that it want to live.
I think they are both equal. And first thing they have => "Right to Life"
Leon The Black
Originally Posted by IBlackleon
No. Treating them by their strength is the worst thing to do. Do we have to listen strong one? But a fetus cant even defend itself. Cant say that it want to live.
I think they are both equal. And first thing they have => "Right to Life"
I don't know where you're getting this whole 'strong people' should live thing.. I never said that. I'm saying that woman are actually people and that fetus's, before a point, are not people. I'm saying it's not that good of an idea to weigh the rights of an actual human being with the rights of something that is not, but has the potential to be, a human being.
And they can't be equal. If you make it so that abortion is illegal, then the woman's rights are being trampled over... The rights of real, fully developed person.
Last edited by Ele; Jul 14, 2015 at 03:20 AM.
