Secret Santa 2024
Well this thread is exactly how "they" want you to react. People blaming Muslims, wanting migration to stop... "They" as in America.

You realise the cause of all this is America?

America created all the forms of terrorism by creating conflicts all over the world. World War 3 is not far away, and that is exactly what America wants.

And 120 dead is nothing. Just because they are white and from Europe does not make them gods. 21,000 people die every day from starvation which could easily be cured if America stopped causing wars all over the world.

Many people have been brainwashed here in believing Islam is bad.. when really it is your idol America and the west which is evil.
1. Migrants flee their country because those horrifying attacks happen daily there. They just want to fucking live, and far from that shit if possible. 150 is the average number of casualties there are in Syria, EVERYDAY.

2. Most of the terrorists perpetrating attacks in France already had the french nationality to begin with. Closing borders is just stupid and would just give the impression of safety, ideas travel past physical borders.

3. The reason of those attacks wasn't "Islam", religion is just used as a brainwashing pretext to enrole soldiers willing to sacrifice themselves... but don't fool yourself : those attacks are only the consequences of the Western imperialism and the wars they bringed to middle-east, wars for ressources in order to sustain an absurd system that we all know is bound to die. It's dying already, and us with it.

4. All muslims aren't extremists, all extremists aren't muslims. Hell, Islamists/extremists aren't even Muslim to begin with, all monotheist religions share the same core and rules, like not killing people for a starter.

5. Yes "we" are at war, we've been at war for decades. But yesterday that war nobody wants but the established powers, dragged itself here. And it's sad.
It certainly isn't my war.
Last edited by deprav; Nov 14, 2015 at 09:57 PM.
Perhaps these healthy, young men running away from their own wars is the main problem. It's called 'desertion', and it just helps prolong these conflicts.

Can you explain how exactly this prolongs the conflict?
I won't bother with the rest of your post, it seems like you're one of the people who've decided everyone who disagrees with you has some kind of vision impairment.

Also, a lot of them aren't even war refugees. They just head towards Europe for a better future from poor countries without an ongoing conflict.

Yeah, a big part of the immigrants have a very good education. It's very bad for the economic future of the country they're fleeing from, though.

and these shootings will stop

This was too stupid to ignore. Maybe we should deport the right-wing extremists too while we're at it.
Last edited by Lazors; Nov 14, 2015 at 10:56 PM.
Brendan (he who passeth judgement on the frequent changing of signatures): I don't do hentai anymore
Originally Posted by Lazors View Post
Can you explain how exactly this prolongs the conflict?

In Syria, you have a legitimate government fighting the IS and the US-funded "moderate" groups (Yes, by legitimate I mean Assad). All these young Syrian men who were at the Eastern Railway Station in Hungary just a few months ago, shouting and protesting to be let go towards Germany, could go and fucking enlist/stay home and not dodge draft instead of shitting on my beloved streets.
In Iraq, there's a US-backed government (it's not even a Russian one like in Syria, so you can't even whine about their morals) more than willing to give these young men shelter, food and a steady job in fighting the fucking cancer that is the IS. Oh but no, running away is a better option.

So yeah, manpower shortage does prolong these wars.

Originally Posted by Lazors View Post
Yeah, a big part of the immigrants have a very good education. It's very bad for the economic future of the country they're fleeing from, though.

That's a) Irrelevant b) A lie every shepherd/goat farmer tells the customs officer in hopes of asylum.

Originally Posted by Lazors View Post
This was too stupid to ignore. Maybe we should deport the right-wing extremists too while we're at it.

No wonder you'd say that, you Swedish people love you some refugees. While Abdul dicks up your mom, please remember this conversation.
Last edited by ynvaser; Nov 14, 2015 at 11:15 PM.
Originally Posted by Tank View Post
Isis are the people carrying out these disasters. Have you forgotten about 9/11, Je suis charlie, the beach massacre, 7/7 bombings, plane bombs in egypt on russian aeroplanes, the bombings in lebanon, baghdad bombings and many more.. That's not 120 deaths. That's many more. These people were all innocent, unarmed people unknowing of what was about to happen. That shows cowardice. The fact that ISIS is the most anonymous group in the world is why it's so threatening, because we don't know when the next attack will be or where. We all know WW3 is coming. I also agree that we're letting too many refugees in. Borders should be closed, refugees reported when the problems in Syria are resolved, but ISIS has even said they're going to take advantage of the immigrant waves and ISIS troops have certainly been flooding into Europe. They'll attack from inside Europe and we wont be able to do much.

Deprav: They're not coming to get away they're coming to start a new life. They aint gonna return when the problems are resolved, are they? no. We have to pay taxes etc just for them to live and in return they do NOTHING but consume space and goods and earnings from other people etc.

Isis is becoming a bigger threat everyday. WW3 WILL HAPPEN.

Uh, half of the attacks you listed were not committed by ISIS. And it is not even confirmed that the Paris massacre was done by ISIS.
Originally Posted by Moataz View Post
I agree with neko , terrorism has no religion and isis are people getting paid to kill like the mercenaries .
and have some feelings for the innocent people who get refugee . if Europe closed its borders , small children would be killed and other horrible stuff would happen . its not about sorting your own business yourself , its about exterminating IsIs .

So what you're saying is, these people aren't welcome anywhere else in their own region. Saudi Arabia hasn't taken in more than a couple thousand refugees and it's Germany's duty to take in millions? Yeah, no. Germany has absolutely no responsibility to take in refugees. Why the fuck would it fall on Germany to take in refugees? Because it's a developed country? That's not "escaping terror", that's economic immigration. If the refugees that travel to Europe want to escape terror, they could do it easily by traveling to bordering countries.

Jordan should be praised for hosting and assimilating many such people and doing their duty to the people of the region. Saudi Arabia? Hah, give them all to Germany. Turkey? They've taken a lot of people but they aren't assimilating them, they're giving them fake passports and shipping them off to Europe.

Originally Posted by Neko View Post
No one puts their children on a boat unless the water is safer than the land, no one runs for the border unless they see their whole city running too.

Last I checked, Syria isn't bordered by France and Germany. There are plenty of other places where they can escape to if they wish.

For fuck sake have some humanity, who gives a shit who people are or where they're from they're fucking humans. You had the fortune of being born and raised in a first world country. These people doing harm will do harm regardless of whether or not they're legally allowed in the country. There will always be people harming others. Harming humans. I don't understand at all the lack of compassion and empathy displayed by so many

Tough shit. I don't see why it's Europe's responsibility to correct Turkey's/Saudi Arabia's mistakes in the area. I don't know how much you know about geopolitics, but basically, Turkey/Saudis/Egypt/Israel are entirely responsible for the turmoil in the area. Let them deal with it.

Terrorism has no religion, it has no nationality. Stop pretending that officials in Downing Street or the White House are any less of terrorists than those involved in ISIS.

They are and you're an idiot for suggesting otherwise. The officials on downing street and in the white house have accepted refugees from these areas with no moral obligation to do so.

I don't care what recourses refugees drain, I don't care what religion or creed they follow. I don't care what country they are from. They seek asylum. No one leaves home unless home is the mouth of a shark.
Say you're escaping violence in cambodia or some shit. Do you escape to Germany or do you escape to neighboring countries?

Originally Posted by Flosax View Post
We currently don't know who the shooters are and why they did this. The attacks were not claimed by Isis. Actually, there is only our president, Mr Hollande, who knows that.

EDIT : Isis claimed by the attacks.

If we let the middle east sort themselves out, it will just get worst and we'll be more exposed to the power of growing threats like Isis. About the immigrants, I'll just quote Neko :

Reported, I don't even want to argue. I can't blame you for being ignorant. One day, try to read the first pages of the Qur'an.

It will not get worse, it can only get better. If the west becomes completely uninvolved in it. Also, I've directly quoted violent quotes out of the Qu'ran in previous discussions, stop pretending that Islam is a peaceful religion. It's an imperialistic religion.


Originally Posted by Lazors View Post
Sure, this is all good if you value the lives of people of your own nationality higher than the life of people of other nationalities. I think that's where our opinions differ. An incident is equally terrible wherever it's happening in the world, but when it happens in developing countries people tend to care less, if it's even covered in the news.
It's not a coincidence that the worst fundamentalism and extremism comes from the most impoverished countries in the world. You have to realize these are desperate people who simply don't have the means to support their families. I'm not trying to justify their actions, but I want to make the point that terrorists are not the result of culture, but the result of desperation.

They are the result of both. Desperation doesn't directly lead to you strapping explosives onto you and blowing yourself up, because the end goal of desperation is gaining resources which you lack. I don't see why Germany has to be responsible for these people. Let the fucking saudis/turks handle it. To quote their book, 'And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain...'. If you imply their culture does not actively promote acts like this, you're heavily mistaken.

If you truly wanted to solve the problem, you should do the very opposite of "leaving them to sort out their mess", because it's only going to get worse unless we actively try to help.

The way in which I would see the problem solved would be with the obliteration of the middle east, but that is not a reasonable solution, so I suggested something more reasonable.

EDIT: I hope we're all agreed that the burning of the Calais migrant camp that happened the night after the attack is an action equally despicable. Not comparable in scale, but absolutely comparable in motives.

I agree. However, I think that forcibly assimilating those migrants will cause turmoil, and it would be better to send them to a country which is more capable of assimilating them.

Originally Posted by Neko View Post
Oh my goodness, what!?! I missed this earlier

Do you think answering violence with violence ever works? These people hate the western world probably because the only exposure they've had to it is western countries bombing their homes and killing their people. You cannot kill hatred with violence, coming then will make things so much worse.

Okay so what you're saying is, we let them come over here and do terrible shit, and we don't fight back because fighting back never works. Don't you see how retarded that sounds? Like, no, that's not how the world works. Turn them into dust the second they do something violent. Dust can't commit grievous acts of violence.

Originally Posted by FistofLife View Post
Well this thread is exactly how "they" want you to react. People blaming Muslims, wanting migration to stop... "They" as in America.

Lol, implying this has anything to do with America

You realise the cause of all this is America?

No, the cause of all of this is Saudi Arabia/Turkey/Egypt/Israel. Last I checked, America didn't have a fundamentalist islamic leader who actively supported terror groups like Turkey/Saudi Arabia, nor does it encourage violence in the region like Egypt/Israel actively do.

America created all the forms of terrorism by creating conflicts all over the world. World War 3 is not far away, and that is exactly what America wants.

Mate, adjust your tinfoil hat a bit, it's looking crooked

And 120 dead is nothing. Just because they are white and from Europe does not make them gods. 21,000 people die every day from starvation which could easily be cured if America stopped causing wars all over the world.

Why are you implying they're white? There are plenty of African, Asian and other races of immigrants in France. There is no general skincolor required to eat at restaurants, watch soccer matches or attend a death metal show at a venue either. You're just racist.

Many people have been brainwashed here in believing Islam is bad.. when really it is your idol America and the west which is evil.
Lol. You realize you're probably on an alphabet agency's list now, right?

Originally Posted by deprav View Post
1. Migrants flee their country because those horrifying attacks happen daily there. They just want to fucking live, and far from that shit if possible. 150 is the average number of casualties there are in Syria, EVERYDAY.

That's what you'd expect from an active warzone, I don't see why they have to flee to Germany or France.

2. Most of the terrorists perpetrating attacks in France already had the french nationality to begin with. Closing borders is just stupid and would just give the impression of safety, ideas travel past physical borders.

Closing the refugee avenue allows intelligence forces to be more focused and more capable of prioritizing targets of surveillance.

3. The reason of those attacks wasn't "Islam", religion is just used as a brainwashing pretext to enrole soldiers willing to sacrifice themselves... but don't fool yourself : those attacks are only the consequences of the Western imperialism and the wars they bringed to middle-east, wars for ressources in order to sustain an absurd system that we all know is bound to die. It's dying already, and us with it.

4. All muslims aren't extremists, all extremists aren't muslims. Hell, Islamists/extremists aren't even Muslim to begin with, all monotheist religions share the same core and rules, like not killing people for a starter.

5. Yes "we" are at war, we've been at war for decades. But yesterday that war nobody wants but the established powers, dragged itself here. And it's sad.
It certainly isn't my war.

Sure, you have some valid points here, but you can't disagree with the fact that more immigrants flooding into the west is a bad thing. You can't culturally assimilate people that hate you.

Hoss.
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34822666

^You guys think it's related?

No, it was due to it going so fucking fast and hit the adjacent rail. I read about it earlier this afternoon. It was during a test.

"Dear reader, I hope this email finds you before I do."
Originally Posted by mwah View Post
By peaceful I mean religions aren't made to attack people. They just aren't, the goal is to worship a god. Look up the definition of a religion. Sure, terrorists can be produced by religions but that doesn't make the religion bad. You think having a god of war makes a religion not peaceful? If anything, you could say any god of any religion is a god of war as that god is believed to protect people during war. Even the Christian god did that. Again, that doesn't make the religion not peaceful.

I think your idea of what constitutes a peaceful religion is far too broad. A religion that aims to convert/destroy people cannot be seen as peaceful. Worshiping a god of war and providing them with human sacrifices or whatever cannot be seen as peaceful. Yes some gods were worshiped for protecting during war, but others were worshiped for the prowess they bestow.

Religion is not static, it is a belief held by people.
Originally Posted by mwah View Post
Do you think there are not Christian attempting to destroy Islamic countries? I mean I get it if you're definition of a terrorist is one who attacks western civilization, which is understandable since we live in said area, but if you're going by the broad term there are definitely Christian terrorists. But they don't effect us because they aren't invading the United States or Britain to take them down because those areas are primarily Christian already so we don't refer to them as terrorists. It's all about pov in that regard.

terrorism: the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

It has nothing to do with religion, yes there can be Christian terrorists, but they aren't the issue at hand.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff