Well i'll just post my opinion here. Bob will be the guy i blame.


Bob: "The ISIS is a grave problem, it needs to be fixed"
statements like these really don't make sense if you think about it.

Of course everyone who believes and fights for ISIS might have different goals in their actions, but in the eyes of Bob their goal might be something of the lines of "to kill everyone who doesn't believe their religion/beliefs". By fixing this problem, should i assume that Bob's implying that we should get rid of all the people who believe and fight for ISIS? If so, what kind of a difference would that make between Bob and the people he's trying to get rid of? He would be supporting the idea of killing people for their beliefs (which is the same thing he thinks that the ISIS is doing).

For me, there is no right or wrong side in this. (The words right and wrong, evil and good don't have any solid meaning to me) So i will not blame either side, because if i did i would be blaiming people for having beliefs and opinion, which i try not to do.

I would choose to support against ISIS, but i wouldn't say they're doing anything wrong, if there were any rights and wrongs. (I believe that people use right and wrong as terms more suitable for themselves and rules they choose to abide (i am no different))

And the whole ordeal about the immigrants is a problem that is unsolveable, as in everyone is happy (in my head at least). As i saw, people don't want immigrants coming into their country, which is respectable, in their thought it might go like immigrants=danger to their everyday life. Which could be a thing, or they just don't want to live in a place that's "not pure" for them. In any case these people have their opinion. But the government might let immigrants in on their own judgement or by the wishes of the majority. In any case the people who don't want to let the immigrants into their home country probably wouldn't do anything against the government except badmouth them. So, if you weren't as dumb as me, you would see that it comes down to belief and opinion, in which case there can't be a euthopia.

I've blabbered enough, i'll end my thoughts on that.

Every time. Every fucking time. Moral relativists, lol

There's a difference between blaming someone for having an opinion and defending yourself against an enemy who would stop at nothing to see you die and enslave your women/children.

Get a grip

What, are you saying Isis is not a problem?


So you are saying if I believe I should kill all the children in my neighborhood, you would be ok with it because you do not blame me for having a different opinion?


Come again?


I don't agree with any of your points to be honest

The way I see it sending troops into war and bombing middle eastern people is only going to aggravate the situation and the middle eastern people themselves. I hear a lot of people saying that the best possible decision available is to just bomb the hell out of ISIS and destroy them but in reality destroying ISIS is going to take much more than bombs and guns. It's going to take strategy, cooperation between nations and in a sense we may have to work with people of the middle east to defeat ISIS. This is a very sensitive situation.

ISIS WANTS to start a huge war. They want to disrupt the world and they want to kill as many people as possible. They want to shake everything up. The best, most efficient way to kill as many people as possible? War. Should we really give them what they want? That easily? Now I'm not saying we should just ignore the situation until it gets worse, but as a world more united than ever before (I think) we can come up with a better plan to destroy ISIS without mass casualties.

Well our hands are kind of tied as they will continue to keep doing public bombings and massacres provoking us until one of us gives.

Plus the people would be complaining that we aren't using our military if we didn't bomb the hell out of them.

Its a predicament

A predicament indeed. Isn't this similar to how our previous world wars started? Of course the situation is different, ISIS isn't necessarily imperialistic in the way the Nazis were but both of them are founded on hatred. We are also entering a situation where many allies are going to support each other. An international crisis is imerging and it's complicated.

I also think that the world should not underestimate ISIS. They may not have very much fire power but pure hatred is a very powerful thing on it's own. We need to be careful.

I'd just hate for the world to jump to conclusions and go into mass war. This time things would be much worse considering how far our technology has advanced. This situation is sensitive as I said.

@Hyde

"Every time. Every fucking time. Moral relativists, lol

There's a difference between blaming someone for having an opinion and defending yourself against an enemy who would stop at nothing to see you die and enslave your women/children."




Well, the situation is all relative depending from which point of view you try to see it. For "djihadists" and "terrorists", they see themselves as insurgents fighting against terrorist governments occupying their lands, forcing their culture upon them in order to get their hands on the natural ressources of that area. Our governments kill innoncent people as well, and a lot. People there are probably "more" scared of regular bombings and aistrikes than we are afraid of terrorists with AKs here.

Maybe the best way to "defend" ourselves would have been not to bring wars there in the first place, and maybe getting out of it now. Those attacks in Paris were retaliations aiming to sow the seeds of chaos inbetween non-muslim and muslim people in France. More hate is what the IS wants, to push people toward extremism(s), just like you now.

I'm not afraid of the IS, I'm way more afraid of the islamophobia, the nationalism and securitarian ideas creeping up.

"Get a grip"

You guys are the ones being all reactionary and emotional about it, don't think that's the best way to take reasonnable and clear-minded decisions. You just wallow in fear, hate and resentment, no logic.

I feel like we should do something to stop this types of problems

We all do mate, we all do.

But some think the solution lies within violent retaliations, more seclusion, more war... but war never changes.
Others think the solution lies within education, peace, and getting out of the imperialist ideology of the western countries going to war to support an economic-political system creating outrageous inequalities around the world, fuel for hatred.

I find it crazy one of the biggest movements happened in 2 days the #SupportParis Movement it also crazy to believe it impacted people from so many different countries