HTOTM: FUSION
I wouldn't of described it a torture. Here's a wikipedia page about it. However, I didn't realise how ineffective it was, which undermines my argument quite a lot.
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I guess tortute would be too blunt when putting it to words. But you gotta think how they'd feel when undergoing this procedure of brainwashing. It can't be pleasant. Might as well be torture or cruel and unusual punishment.

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Originally Posted by WeooWeoo View Post
Whether someone who is gay accepts it or doesn't. They don't have a choice. Doctors referred to homosexuality as a disease when it came to scientific diagnosis until the 1970's. But is no longer viewed that way.

There is no proof of it being genetic, being born that way, or how you were raised. So no one can say for certain. Which is why this whole discussion will turn religious, and not the best.

I honestly don't know. But i sure as hell know homosexuality isn't a choice. That is all.

It definitely is a choice lol. You aren't born with it, and the actions you chose definitely influence it.
So if you get kidnapped by terrorists for being at the wrong place at the wrong time you are getting executed by your own free will? Just because our decisions influence the situation we end up in does not mean we choose to be there.
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Originally Posted by Jyst View Post
It definitely is a choice lol. You aren't born with it, and the actions you chose definitely influence it.

Then you choose to be what sexual orientation you are now, correct? It's that easy to just choose to be straight, or bisexual, or homosexual, or Pansexual?

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Originally Posted by WeooWeoo View Post
Then you choose to be what sexual orientation you are now, correct? It's that easy to just choose to be straight, or bisexual, or homosexual, or Pansexual?

Hm, I don't really understand your assertion tbh.

Isn't it common to change sexual fetishes?
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I'm sure several people would like to know why you consider homosexuality a fetish, as opposed to a sexual identity. Can you explain your argument?
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Hm, I don't really understand your assertion tbh.

Isn't it common to change sexual fetishes?

That's called being sexually curious. You can't just say "Hm, I'm going to be a homosexual now and get excited by the same sex."

That's just silly.
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
I'm sure several people would like to know why you consider homosexuality a fetish, as opposed to a sexual identity. Can you explain your argument?

I don't believe he's saying homosexuality by itself. He's referring to going from homosexual to straight, straight to homosexual etc.

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It seems like he's saying sexual preferences are fetishes. This is an idea I've heard before (it has to do with sexual imprinting. Kids at a young age (I think 6-10) have an experience that 'imprints' onto their sexual identity. For example, you might jerk off your friend in junior school one time and then that experience sticks with you and you develop some gay thoughts. Through imprinting, we can develop all sorts of minor/major fetishes and apparently homosexuality is like a 'gay fetish'.

That's why I'm wondering if this is what Pig means when he's talking about sexual identity as fetishes.
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
I'm sure several people would like to know why you consider homosexuality a fetish, as opposed to a sexual identity. Can you explain your argument?

Being attracted to men or women is not functionally different from being attracted to leather or rubber. I believe there's even a debate over which paraphilia should be regarded as disorders ("homosexuality is a disease" - ring any bells?).

On a personal level sexual identity is just a collection of sexual preferences.That said, the concept of grouping people based on sexual preference is questionable at best as attraction is a little more nuanced than 'same gender therefore I want to have sex' (two 'homosexuals' of the same gender won't necessarily be attracted to the same person).

I'm not certain that homosexuality is not in any way different from any other fetish. The only reason that some people treat it differently is because some sects of some religions don't like it. The same situation exists with some fetishes (beastiality, exhibitionism, hebephilia, etc) but not with others (S&M, scat, asphyxiophilia, etc), the divide of morality runs along the line of religion.
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