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Can you really blame those who get "radicalized" by ISIS. If my whole family was blown up by Western trillion dollar armies and entire communities and cities being turned into dust then i would definitely fight back.

People who say "fuck Muslims, fuck refugees" really disgust me. These people have had there entire lives destroyed by the west and all they ask is for food and a shelter, but western people think they have the right to take the moral high ground and look at these refugees, just like me and you, as dirty scum.

Oh and in case you do not realise, the people controlling all this want you to hate Islam it just gives them all the more support to continue to bombing Syria. Why would America want to destroy the east you may ask? well i suggest you start doing some real research of your own and you will discover many truths.

I would recommend researching Colonel Gadaffi, first by looking at what the mainstream media says then by looking at facts and independent videos on what really happened.
Originally Posted by AlphaN00b View Post
idk about this
but if this is true can you give any arguments ?

During the cold war the CIA supported Al Quaeda so they could help fight the UdSSR. The Sovjets enforced atheism with military force and thus were the sworn enemies of Islamists.
Now that the Sovjets are no longer a threat the tables have turned. ISIS is a splinter group who thought Al Quaeda wasn't radical enough so now we have the new situation: West vs Muslims where those who pick radical sides are part of the problem.
p much similar to the Capitalism vs Communism thing where the radical tards who wanted to shoot each other made everybody else miserable.
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Originally Posted by PACKET View Post
Why would America want to destroy the east you may ask? well i suggest you start doing some real research of your own and you will discover many truths.

I would recommend researching Colonel Gadaffi, first by looking at what the mainstream media says then by looking at facts and independent videos on what really happened.

Why don't you tell us, instead?
Originally Posted by PACKET View Post
Can you really blame those who get "radicalized" by ISIS. If my whole family was blown up by Western trillion dollar armies and entire communities and cities being turned into dust then i would definitely fight back.

I'm not sure this is true. While you give a good argument, that doesn't mean that's actually what radicalized ISIS fighters think. Many speak of bringing sharia to the west and globalizing Islam, so I don't think "they just want revenge" is a good argument.

Originally Posted by PACKET View Post
People who say "fuck Muslims, fuck refugees" really disgust me. These people have had there entire lives destroyed by the west and all they ask is for food and a shelter, but western people think they have the right to take the moral high ground and look at these refugees, just like me and you, as dirty scum.

Oh and in case you do not realise, the people controlling all this want you to hate Islam it just gives them all the more support to continue to bombing Syria. Why would America want to destroy the east you may ask? well i suggest you start doing some real research of your own and you will discover many truths.

I would recommend researching Colonel Gadaffi, first by looking at what the mainstream media says then by looking at facts and independent videos on what really happened.

I'm not sure this is true either, I watched a lot of documentaries in the middle east in the past, and it seems that Arab on Arab fighting is not only more common, but far more destructive. Look at what was happening to Sana'a last year! Look at Lebanon, look at Syria, etc.

I don't think it's particularly accurate to blame the west. You are forgetting that there has been constant war in the Middle East since history began. I remember reading Hammond Innes accounts of tribal warfare in the post-WW2 period, and who can forget Lawrence of Arabia, an epic that depicts tribal warfare during WW1. It's not a new problem caused by meddling by the USA, various Islamic factions (sunni, shiite, and the wahhabists) are infighting.

You are making very disingenuous arguments with rampant disregard for history and reality my friend!
Originally Posted by PACKET View Post
I would recommend researching Colonel Gadaffi, first by looking at what the mainstream media says then by looking at facts and independent videos on what really happened.

Yeah, removing Gaddafi was a mistake, just like it was a mistake to remove Saddam (with war and without proper replacement) and the continued efforts to remove Assad. We are actively trying to exchange lesser evils for greater ones at tremendous costs.
It's nice to find root causes, but we are way past the preventive phase of this treatment, it's symptom alleviation time now.

Originally Posted by PACKET View Post
These people have had there entire lives destroyed by the west and all they ask is for food and a shelter, but western people think they have the right to take the moral high ground and look at these refugees, just like me and you, as dirty scum.

If these strong, military age men weren't running away from home and fought for their countries and legitimate governments, the Middle East would be a better place right now. But meh, cowardice isn't a negative personality trait these days.

Glad to see someone with informed opinions on this thread for once btw.
Last edited by ynvaser; Apr 12, 2016 at 04:07 PM.
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Why don't you tell us, instead?

It is way more effective for people to research it them self and then take an opinion. If i was just to tell you all the reasons then you would simply fight it without even giving it a chance.
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
If these strong, military age men weren't running away from home and fought for their countries and legitimate governments, the Middle East would be a better place right now. But meh, cowardice isn't a negative personality trait these days.

Glad to see someone with informed opinions on this thread for once btw.

Holy shit did I read this right? Did you just call refugees cowards??

Yeah dude they should TOTALLY take blunt weapons and run straight into battle against dudes with guns. Sounds like a pretty clever informed decision, and while theyre at it why dont they also not take their kids and wives to the relative safety of another country and let them die with them?

Or are you saying the West should arm them? Cause we all know how well thats gone down in history.

If theyre so cowardly and youre so brave why dont you go to Syria as a strong military age man and go help??
Last edited by SmallBowl; Apr 12, 2016 at 07:13 PM.
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Originally Posted by PACKET View Post
It is way more effective for people to research it them self and then take an opinion. If i was just to tell you all the reasons then you would simply fight it without even giving it a chance.

You would be literally the worst lawyer.

If your reasons are not obviously correct to us then it is your job to break them down into the reasons for those reasons until all the reasons are fundamental enough for us to agree with. As long as you could then show why those reasons add up in the way that you said they do then we would have no choice but to agree with you. If we don't see how your points are linked, or support each other then you have to break up your thought process into smaller and smaller steps. Obviously it doesn't tend to work like this in practice, but it would still be nice if you could actually try.
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
Holy shit did I read this right? Did you just call refugees cowards??

Yes. The military age men, that is.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
Yeah dude they should TOTALLY take blunt weapons and run straight into battle against dudes with guns.

Where the hell do you live where standard issue military weapons consist of sticks?


Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
Sounds like a pretty clever informed decision, and while theyre at it why dont they also not take their kids and wives to the relative safety of another country and let them die with them?

Look at these words: MILITARY, AGE, MEN
Women are perfectly capable adults that can navigate on their own to the relative safety of another country. Also, did you know there are several Arab nations which are much more closer to those war zones where they could seek safe harbor? But nah, man, Europe is where that sweet sweet social net is.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
Or are you saying the West should arm them?

No. I'm sure there are plenty of guns to go around in the legitimate, Russian-backed Syrian army.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
If theyre so cowardly and youre so brave why dont you go to Syria as a strong military age man and go help??

It's not my country. If my country was in the spot Syria is in now, you could bet your ass I wouldn't run.
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
Yes. The military age men, that is.


Where the hell do you live where standard issue military weapons consist of sticks?



Look at these words: MILITARY, AGE, MEN
Women are perfectly capable adults that can navigate on their own to the relative safety of another country. Also, did you know there are several Arab nations which are much more closer to those war zones where they could seek safe harbor? But nah, man, Europe is where that sweet sweet social net is.


No. I'm sure there are plenty of guns to go around in the legitimate, Russian-backed Syrian army.


It's not my country. If my country was in the spot Syria is in now, you could bet your ass I wouldn't run.

Military age =/= in the military.

Where the hell did you get the idea that all military age civilians in all countries carry guns around?

Unless you meant the military should be fighting, which I think youll find it is anyway.

And if youre about to tell me that all men including single parents should join the army you are deluded. Your complete lack of empathy is genuinely shocking, and I dont see how you cant see how terrible the position theyre in is.


Oh its not your country? Dont you care about any of the rest of the world? Its your world you live in, you should care. Taking a step back and saying its none of your business while also ranting about how cowardly refugees are for leaving is far more cowardly in my mind than being a refugee.
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