Originally Posted by Kitty

I think devs got too lazy.

Some staff members try super hard to keep things new and interesting while nothing about the game really changes.

Seeing staff bring back lotteries, revamp shiai tokens, change ranking system and offer rewards for it are all things that i think have positively changed the game for the better.

where should it go now? I think fighting other players should not be the ONLY thing to do in the game. There should be a more open world type environment where you can walk around in 3rd person in a lobby or something, trade items in game, etc...

you should be able to move your tori around in game and trade in game WHILE you wait in queue

this is 2017, people are busy. NOBODY wants to wait in the queue just to miss their turn.

If players arent utilizing 90% or more of their game time actually doing something, they will find something more productive to do.

And people wonder why everyone leaves this game.

This is what i think toribash next should be like.

Originally Posted by Derzai

the game died

replay making became too tedious for any of the good players to continue doing since there were probably 10 people at any given time that could give legitimate cnc other than some fucking stupid shit like "omgf ou a fuckin epic beast monsta "

90% of staff just happens to be the same person with multiple accounts (Grab a personality!) or just inactive

dueling and marketing are dead because this game is terrible for making any semblance of a decent profit for how much work you have to put in

ingame events are kind of ok
betting servers are quite often shit (see DUELING!)

but yeah there's really no reason to play this game past having fun with friends (and that's very limited, this shit gets boring very quick if you don't know how to play it)

it's a difficult game and new players don't want to play difficult games

it didnt. the community has become a little bit smaller over the years but overall it held its activity thanks to the work alot of people have put into it. also the release with toribash next will probably give it a fresh hype.

someone who is good at what they do, doesnt needs alot of outstanding people to cnc on their stuff. i was a long time together with jaker in a clan, that guy knew what he wanted and how to achieve it, he didnt need any cnc on something he was passionate about and im pretty sure any replay maker who really put in effort, doesnt need someone else to tell him how to make a skeet better or whatever, as he knows.
mostly new people who are quite oblivious to their mistakes because they dont have the experience need cnc to know what to work on. the good replay makers know how to do they just need the motivation and time to do it.

i see you haven't had much contact with all of the staff yet.
althought i have to agree its "somewhat" true because you just need a certain personality trait to even want to become a staff member, apparantly its a trait that gets noticed after a while, but is it too bad? as long the people do their job, you arent distracted and enjoy your time whats so bad about it?
you aren't FORCED to interact with staff unless something bad happens and then i am certain they are all willing to help you out.

at this point, i unfortunatley have to agree with you. to a certain degree.
dueling is an issue as there are mostly "elite" players around who know their mods and know their ways to abuse it to get all your stuff. they make profit off it, but not enough that it was worth it to get to the point. i've actually talked to diamond about that once and he basically "regrets" spending that much time on this game because there is so little payoff.

the market currently is a little dominated by a few people, but you can still make profit for your own gain, cooler items and everything if you spent enough time on it. its not like in CS:GO where u spent a month trading stuff and end up with 100$ profit. but u will have nice stuff at the end regarldess.

can you elaborate more on why betting servers are shit?

they are commonly hosted by the COMMUNITY who spent their own money to have fun with others. in how many other games do you see the community actually doing something where also others have a huge gain in? (its almost like giving away free money most of the time)

"well we now have a ranked ladder that can give you certainly a reason to play more than just for fun. also after all there are still duels, marketing etc. if you havent reached the point where u dont want to have a nicer tori.

also, prestige within the community, its so small people are quickly recognized for being good players/replaymakers/artists and get their share of the fame. not all people like that, but its also something to work for."

it is difficult to get the hang of it, once you understand how the core of the game works and how to achieve the things u want to, the game gets incredible easy. its basically the opposite of most games nowadays, people are just used to get everything handed to them without thinking twice about it.
only then, after they played enough they decide to actually understand and become better at it.

anyways, the community is currently a littler smaller than it used to be from my view, we still have the same influx of new users as it always been and about the same amount stays for a little longer.

i do believe that toribash next will increase the playerbase atleast for a year by a good margin and that probably a few old players will return for a while and a few new players will stay longer.

by all means, the game has changed to the better over years, personally i haven't come across a single thing i really disliked which had been done.
except well, maybe returning wibbles but thats mainly because i hate such an amount of memes.

the only thing i really miss is that the people i used to play with years ago arent around anymore, which isnt too bad as there are still a ton of other amazing people around. its just sad to see people go u have talked daily to for years.