Originally Posted by BenDover

id like to bring up this point ray made

we've brought the discussion down to whether or not its murder by defining at what point a fetus becomes a person. which is all down to the perspective of each person. and will never reach a conclusion in this particular discussion.

Id like to change the direction to "can abortion be counted as euthanasia?"
No. Euthanasia is voluntary (in the cases I've read about). Abortion is definitely not voluntary.
is it ethical to abort a baby that will not be wanted by its parents?
As per my post, I think the the right to become is more important than the convenience of the parents.
is it ethical to force a woman to go through the trauma of pregnancy if they do not want to go through it at all, simply to give it up for adoption?
Again, I don't think this trauma outweighs the child's right to become and consequently, right to life. Though, this becomes questionable in cases of rape, where the trauma is so much more severe.
is euthanasia ethical at all, and can it be applied to the abortion discussion at all?
I don't think it can be applied to abortion. And personally, I think that euthanasia can only be ethical in certain circumstances, and not in others.