Originally Posted by TomPaine
One of the issues I have are the examples of marriage in the bible and in the real world that seem more contradictory then gay marriage. To be clear, I do not find gay marriage a contradictory term at the slightest. In the bible of course there are examples abundant of the nuclear family (as in explosive), but there are also examples of less-than-nuclear marriages.
These terms are undefined. I can only guess at what you mean here, and I guess you mean by nuclear as "unstable" or "unorthodox". People, don't make me guess at your definitions. Explain terms you use clearly please.
One that I slightly find insulting is marrying your brother's widow. Not too terrible, just a bit creepy.
What does it contribute to this argument?
Then there's the wife and concubines. It's like you have your main wife and then an extra piece(s) of heterosexual sodomy on the side. You have the one that you make love to, and then you have the one you get freaky with...
Today, one of the virtues we hold dearly in marriage is faithfulness (other than open marriages).
There's also examples of being married to a woman who owns another woman, thus after marrying that first woman you also own her property, that other woman's sex organs.
What does it contribute to this argument?
And of course there are examples of polygamy around. a master can also dictate who his women slaves have to marry and conceive with.
See what I said about faithfulness.
My top two favorite involve the wonderful POW scenario where a man from a victorious neighboring village war can claim a woman from the losing team to give him babies. AND, rapist get to marry there victims no questions asked... I love traditional bible marriages....
What's your point? That there are "nuclear" traditional marriages as well?
A more practical real life scenario is more of a personal matter. My wifey poo and I are Atheist. We disbelieve in gods. Yet, the church let us marry. We mock them and tell them there god isn't real, but they let us marry, there holy ceremony...
You're atheists and you got a Church wedding? Or are you saying that if you got a Church wedding you would still be allowed one if you're not gay? You obviously don't know what a Church wedding is then.
'The church' will let anti-theistic cousins marry in a horror and clown and dubstep and nude themed wedding, as long as they promise that they're not gay.
That is blatantly untrue. Do I even need to explain?
I know not all states allow first cousin marriages, but more states recognize that union than that of same sex partnership. So, what's the problem with letting two God fearing, law abiding, Jesus loving gays to get married? Christian oppression of Christians.
Are you talking about the Church here? Or the state?
The Church recognizes that some people have deeply rooted homosexual affections. This is why Catholic Catechism now says that they are to be treated with respect and acceptance. They recognize that homosexuality isn't always due to a sense of imbalanced pleasure or anything hedonistic, but actual romantic love.
I also had an idea that I'd like to pass through you bunch,
Let's say that we remove the term marriage from any legal frame work and let those crazy Christians have it.
Yay give it to them crazy Christians.
It will be there little special ceremony, like baptism.
Your belittling is annoying.
Then, we use a different term, like civil unions, to apply to all legally recognized partnerships between two mutually consenting adults. It would provide equality legally, and put more focus on the church to change. But who cares, marriage is just another weird ceremony then.
Marriage as far as the state is concerned is a civil union. What Christianity says about homosexual civil unions is that it is immoral. That is why it is outlawed. Obviously, it isn't.
I don't know, I know I don't sound terribly intelligent, but please take the insults light on this old bear.
I'm not going to insult you, but throughout your post you have unnecessarily belittled, mocked, and misrepresented Christianity. What's up with that?
Originally Posted by StarshipPain
If a Man can go home and beat the shit out of his wife, why cant 2 loving responsible people of the same gender marry.
He can't beat the shit out of his wife. Since when is beating your spouse legal? Also, this is not a fitting analogy. Beating your wife is seen as immoral because it is belligerent, hateful, and wrong. Homosexuality is seen as immoral because many think that such relationships exist just for pleasure.
Originally Posted by gabrielll
Why don't we let someone love whoever he/she wants?
A discuss about it is just pointless, no one will change no one in a online forum, open your eyes.
Discussion of any kind is important. We don't debate to change each other's minds, we debate to share our points and see other's points of view.
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