@hanzO
@Ray
@ImmortalCow

It would appear the "less optimistic" posters in this forum seem to look in a very short sighted view with less actual facts to back their opinion.

@LaNoir
Please look up facts to support your opinion. I've said it before and I'll say it again, nobody is going to care about what you have to say unless you support it. It's when you ask a racist why they are racist, they usually reply with an answer like "Because they're a dirty *fill in the blank*".
How am I even supposed to see their point of view with a meaningless answer like that? I am not advocating racism of course, but hopefully you see my point. The three above have given you supported opinions and ideology, and you've shot each of them down with answers essentially saying, "no, I disagree because thats the way it is." We argue to show others our points and hopefully persuade them to your way of thinking. You do this through support and support is provided by theory and fact. You sir have provided neither. Please continue your arguement with what I have said in mind. It will help get your point acrossed and us to understand your view.

-I hopefully will not have to make a post like this again XD