Please try to add your own opinions and ideas on the matter rather than just tearing apart other people's posts. If you can't offer any actual progression to the discussion then I would appreciate it if you could not just use this thread to argue trivialities. I am not asking you to ignore other people's posts, but it sure would be nice if you could try to think about the ideas people are describing rather than simply the description of the ideas. If someone is being vague don't tell them that there argument is invalid because of gross use of sweeping generalisations. You can always just ask them what they mean.