"The CDHRI concludes in article 24 and 25 that all rights and freedoms mentioned are subject to the Islamic sharia, which is the declaration's sole source."
Do you understand what that means? That means that any assurance of rights or freedoms are filtered through Sharia law. You have the Sharia version of 'financial independence' which equates to 'women can't work without permission of their husbands'. If we're reading and quoting from wiki, then why don't we quote one of the introductory passages as well? "It guarantees many of the same rights as the UDHR (cf. liberal Islam), while at the same time reaffirming the inequalities inherent in Islamic law and tradition in terms of religion, gender, sexuality, political rights, and other aspects of contemporary society at odds with Islamic law and traditions."


That's not how equality works. You don't get equality by balancing the lack of rights of women with the lack of rights of men.


Off the topic of my head, under Sharia, women's accounts as witnesses are weighed half as much men - two female accounts = one male account.
I can also recall, earlier in this thread, or the other one, Moonshake posting from the Quran "Qur'an (2:228 ) - "And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them".

Now, I also recall telling you the difference between intent and result. For the last time, it doesn't matter what the fuck Islam says it is, the reality is reflected in Sharia law.


I believe I'm saying that women not being able to leave the house without permission or being able to seek employment without permission is not mild.



I believe I'm saying that women not being able to leave the house without permission or being able to seek employment without permission is not mild.


"The biggest Muslim country doesn't do it therefor you're lying". Link to application of Sharia law by country. All those Islamic countries in blue there have a system where they fully implement Sharia.


Countries in the Arabic Penninsula have rates of wahhabists in the 40s. Besides, I wasn't the one who first used the term 'wahhabist countries' - that was you. I was using the term for your sake.


Nope. I'm arguing that most Muslim countries don't accept the UDHR. You said they did once. I said 'who the fuck cares, they don't now, and that's the point I'm making'. We're not having a discussion about Islam 20 years ago. We're having a discussion about Islam today.


Mate, you're right, it is pretty simple. A quick fact check will show you that the reason they split was because the UDHR was too secular, and they wanted a system that recognised Sharia as legit.