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TC Sale: Is there a limit?
First of all, I heard, from hanz0, I believe, that TC sellers shouldn't lower the price of TC too much in order to keep Nabi's profit high. The defined limit was the one that Hector used in his shop, which was about 10$ for 100k.
I've seen multiple threads, like this one or this, which offer larger amounts of TC for lower payments. If I wanted to sell more TC, I could just make multiple sales to bypass the limit, instead of creating a shop.

Second, as I've seen in some TC shops, like Hector's or Ash's, they offer, for example, 500k TC + 100k TC for 50$. As far as I know, 500k + 100k = 600k, which would cost 60$.
This just looks like another way to bypass the previously mentioned limit.

My questions are:
Does the TC limit still apply to the current TC shops and does it even apply to TC sales? And what about the bonus TC additions, are they legal?

PS: Posted this thread here as it might have some discussion potential.
Tbh I think it should stay 10$ for 100k - no stuff like 500k + 100k and no items/packs given as a bonus. And for one time sales, the same prices should apply - even if you're selling 1 mil tc.

I'm not sure how things are atm because I haven't really bothered to find out, but as I'm considering starting to sell TC, this also interests me a lot.
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Hector and the others would not be able to sustain competition anyway. Sooner or latter their prices would be too low for them to be able to make a proffit. Nabi has infinite tc and exclusive items, people will always buy from them, and if less people did then promo items would be worth even more and so the market would require more tc and the whole system would rebalance in Nabis favor.

IMO it doesnt benefib Nabi to fix the market, it only benefits the other tc sellers.
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Bonuses can not be restricted or regulated since they are presented as gifts, which by their nature, are free. 10usd=100k is a fair exchange rate and tc selling doesn't reduce nabi's profit at all: giving an easier (cheaper) access to tcs grows the economy through the increased expenditure of tcs from the whole community. Without considering the revenue due to the promos etc.
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Originally Posted by maldiluna View Post
Bonuses can not be restricted or regulated since they are presented as gifts, which by their nature, are free. 10usd=100k is a fair exchange rate and tc selling doesn't reduce nabi's profit at all: giving an easier (cheaper) access to tcs grows the economy through the increased expenditure of tcs from the whole community. Without considering the revenue due to the promos etc.

Of course that 10$ = 100k is a fair exchange. The problem is that some people increase the amount of TC for the same amount of money.

Also, if, x TC seller offers great deals (cheap TC and gifts), why would someone want to buy from Nabi? They could just buy the TC they wanted and they would have enough to buy the items (promos, for example) they wanted.
Originally Posted by Drakhir View Post

Also, if, x TC seller offers great deals (cheap TC and gifts), why would someone want to buy from Nabi? They could just buy the TC they wanted and they would have enough to buy the items (promos, for example) they wanted.

That Tc seller also needs to either buy tc or boosters from Nabi. How else can they earn enough to have a longterm sale.
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Originally Posted by Drakhir View Post
The problem is that some people increase the amount of TC for the same amount of money.

You can't do anything about that, if you just prohibited this kind of deals, tcs sellers could still send bonuses secretly at a later time, as gifts, dealing via pms/irc. You can not prohibit gifts, can you? This would be a far worse situation, imo.

Originally Posted by Drakhir View Post
Also, if, x TC seller offers great deals (cheap TC and gifts), why would someone want to buy from Nabi? They could just buy the TC they wanted and they would have enough to buy the items (promos, for example) they wanted.

The tc seller has to buy from nabi the tcs he sells, nabi earnings from that pov are not to be underestimated. Then if you want to buy full packs, the promo is better than any deal you can find in the market, cause ppl who resells packs (ppl who have paid nabi btw) usually want to gain something from their economical activity. And if you want to buy a single item, there are still qi restriction problems, which cannot be avoided by anyone.

Many ppl wouldn't even buy anything if only nabi deals were avaiable.

Everything imo, obviously :P
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Originally Posted by maldiluna View Post
You can't do anything about that, if you just prohibited this kind of deals, tcs sellers could still send bonuses secretly at a later time, as gifts, dealing via pms/irc. You can not prohibit gifts, can you? This would be a far worse situation, imo.

It's actually possible. If the seller sent the item after, with no mention of it in the thread, it wouldn't be related to the trade.

Originally Posted by maldiluna
The tc seller has to buy from nabi the tcs he sells, nabi earnings from that pov are not to be underestimated. Then if you want to buy full packs, the promo is better than any deal you can find in the market, cause ppl who resells packs (ppl who have paid nabi btw) usually want to gain something from their economical activity. And if you want to buy a single item, there are still qi restriction problems, which cannot be avoided by anyone.

Many ppl wouldn't even buy anything if only nabi deals were avaiable.

Everything imo, obviously :P

That statement (bold) is completely wrong. One can sell textures, win competitions, sell given items, etc, etc and gain his own TC.

I could gain, let's say, 1,000,000 TC. I'd be able to sell it, buy promos and sell them for higher prices and there would be no profit for Nabi Studios, from me.

But, my question is if those limits are still activated. If yes, there was a cause for that and they should be enforced. If not, my question is answered. ;p
Originally Posted by Drakhir View Post
First of all, I heard, from hanz0, I believe, that TC sellers shouldn't lower the price of TC too much in order to keep Nabi's profit high. The defined limit was the one that Hector used in his shop, which was about 10$ for 100k.

Well Hector is trusted a lot among the community for tc sales & if you see even at better deals at other places, Hector still gets customers cause he's trusted a lot.

Originally Posted by Drakhir View Post
Does the TC limit still apply to the current TC shops and does it even apply to TC sales? And what about the bonus TC additions, are they legal?

Bonuses are done mainly to attract more people.
Besides 50$=600k can be considered as a wholesale deals like in real world.From what the standards are stated to be 1$=10k ,this shouldn't be legal but nothing much can be done against them.PMs/IRC , like Maliduana stated can make them private like underworld/seekrit.

Also you questioned about people buying from Nabi. People buy from them cause they are most trusted source.In many cases it's parents who do the buying & they would not be intrested in doing a research on forums & neither bother to listen to kids etc.

Boosters which can be bought only from Nabi have a special achivement/fun factor with them.It's a different feeling to get tc by winning using boosters &rather than just spending $'s to get things without any work.

Originally Posted by Drakhir View Post
I could gain, let's say, 1,000,000 TC. I'd be able to sell it, buy promos and sell them for higher prices and there would be no profit for Nabi Studios, from me.

That's my situation u mentioned there.

But you forgot the source of tcs he's getting.The tcs for textures are from Nabi in a way.It just gets the economy active here.If there were no texture makers there would be no flow of tcs & people will not need tcs reducing Nabi income.Also If I sell the tc to make $'s I would buy promo like you mentioned[from Nabi indeed] & maybe make more profit but Nabi gets a share after all
Last edited by AKP; Jun 6, 2009 at 08:30 PM.
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Originally Posted by AKP View Post
Well Hector is trusted a lot among the community for tc sales & if you see even at better deals at other places, Hector still gets customers cause he's trusted a lot.



Bonuses are done mainly to attract more people.
Besides 50$=600k can be considered as a wholesale deals like in real world.From what the standards are stated to be 1$=10k ,this shouldn't be legal but nothing much can be done against them.PMs/IRC , like Maliduana stated can make them private like underworld/seekrit.

Also you questioned about people buying from Nabi. People buy from them cause they are most trusted source.In many cases it's parents who do the buying & they would not be intrested in doing a research on forums & neither bother to listen to kids etc.

Boosters which can be bought only from Nabi have a special achivement/fun factor with them.It's a different feeling to get tc by winning using boosters &rather than just spending $'s to get things without any work.

Apparently, I didn't explain myself correctly or some of you don't get my point.
I'm not saying that there should be no gifts, TC bonus, etc. I'm just saying that, if there's a limit for that, it should be respected.

I never stated that Hector wasn't trustworthy or that he didn't do good deals. I used him as an example to the limits.
I know, obviously, that 50$ for 600k + omgsuperitems is better than 50$ for 500k, but that's not fair if there's a limit.
There's no data on who buys TC too. Even if parents were the ones who bought the TC for their kids, they should check what they are buying. At least, if I were a father, I wouldn't pay my son something I know nothing about.

The point and question: limits, limits and limits. ;p