You guys make me read to much.
Anyway
why not just beat them up?
After that
rush the dog to a vet
or
Push them out of the way
rush the dog to a vet
then come back and beat the shit out of them(if they're there)
OR
Knock them out
rush the dog to a vet
then come back
then kick them while they're down
Then give them a huge lecture
Anyway
why not just beat them up?
After that
rush the dog to a vet
or
Push them out of the way
rush the dog to a vet
then come back and beat the shit out of them(if they're there)
OR
Knock them out
rush the dog to a vet
then come back
then kick them while they're down
Then give them a huge lecture
Evil is the lack of both sympathy and empathy, if they were to kill a puppy like that then they lack both, and would quuite possibly have weak enpugh levels of compassion for human beings and would then emotionally would have the ability to kill, to cut that story short these kids are likely to be a psycopath and i would beat the fuck out of them.
Last edited by coloo; Nov 10, 2009 at 01:09 PM.
Please note that we kill people all the time. The government kills people and justifies it by citing the lines in the long list of laws, which in turn are based on average principles and morals of our society.
Please note that "we" can choose for ourselves, our judgement doesnt have to be based on the masses you can live your life as an individual developing your own morals and values. The collective opinion of the mass doesnt make it the best way to go. But you contradict yourself again, because you state: ( correct me if im wrong ) that killing by law is normal because the law is based on average priciples and morals of our society.
Well the law also says you cant kill anyone.. so that must be based on these same average priciples and morals of our society. If you say you agree with the rules of our society and you dont want any maniacs in, then dont start justifying your own way of breaking the rules.
Now it's all a matter of opinion. Either you think my action are justified or not.
maybe it is an opinion if you are able to justify or not, but when you look at the facts, one stomps a pup's head in, and one kills that guy. Both motivated by what they themselves think is right or wrong. Both justifying there own actions in their own ways. Both resulting in murder. Murder without a trial being a thing the guy who stomps the thug doestn aprove of because of average priciples and morals of our society.
I dont think someone who contradicts himself is capable to judge/kill anyone..
I think its in human nature to be judging all the time, its your own choice if you kill over it.
me killing them would be more of an execution than murder
Execution i think is a nasty camouflaged word that still just represents ending a life on purpose, but somehow it makes it sound like you are more human then a murderer, is that because of the "average principles and morals of our society"?
My expectations for a cat's behavior are quite different from that for an adult homo sapiens. I'm sure you can imagine why....
Why is this? I am also sure i can "imagine" why. But the point is why feel groced out by one and okay with another, its just a way to show how ontrustworthy our priciples and morals can be sometimes. Thats why i think it isnt a good idea to start ending some lives over it.
I would be the first to say "fix them" if there was a reliable method of making sociopaths into 'normal' citizens. But at this moment, there are none.
You are not really helping with a way to fix them. So you can scratch "i would be the "first" to say fix them, its actually very weird you say that while you also blatantly say you would end their lives. Im starting to fear your way of "fixing" people.If the methods are missing and you really want to fix them, turn them in for psychological evaluation or something like that, they cant contribute to that noble cause ... when they are dead.
This is kind of stawman-ish as it doesn't take any circumstances into account
Let me ask: would you kill Hitler? I would.
Choosing "the lesser evil" can result in less evil in the world.
I had to look up what that strawman-ish meant :P ( im not english ) but the circumstances were explained in the context, so i dont think its a strawman statement. It is a cartoonish way to charactarize the weird aspect of that kind of self-righteous judging, its easy to visualize and simplified so you can oversee the contradictions and other weird entangled reasoning and logic easier. That is also a part of reasoning, trying to get you to see my point as you try to get me to see your point.
I would not kill Hitler, i would try and reason ( im allmost afraid to say it ) i am also not a racist, neo-nazi or extremist in any way. But the point is that you know what he is going to do, so you kill him, and save hundreds of thousands of lives with it in the proces, well good for you. Just one question how do you obtain the knowledge of someones guilt in the future, its clearly a reference to the thug being able to do more things like that in the future and thats why he must die, this however also whipes away the chance of him being threated succesfully eventually, and doing allot of good for this world, or his children doing allot of good. It is not applyable if you ask me. Because you dont know the future, and thats another reason not to judge to rapidly.
Wow, that seemed very....uhhh...heart-felt?
If there was no real means of repairing him, i would indeed think of him like a hazard and a broken cog. I can't say there wouldn't be heavy bias and pity from my side though, seeing how it's my son. I wouldn't kill him, BUT if i saw someone do it when he was stomping another puppy to death, i wouldn't stop them.
I think further then what i see or what is presented allot, that way i do not jump to any conclusions to later find out i was being controlled by my own bias ( and still i many times do ). It looks somewhat deminishing the way you put heart-felt there :P. That is the way i try and live my life, trying to understand things instead of breaking what i dont understand. Having less judgement has stretched my perspective of things allot. And im happy i dont feel like i have to kill anyone. Would like it if some more people would lose that kind of attitude. Like the murderers and the murderers of the murderers murderers.
"I dissaprove of what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it"
Originally Posted by Squiziph
Please note that "we" can choose for ourselves, our judgement doesnt have to be based on the masses you can live your life as an individual developing your own morals and values. The collective opinion of the mass doesnt make it the best way to go. But you contradict yourself again, because you state: ( correct me if im wrong ) that killing by law is normal because the law is based on average priciples and morals of our society.
Well the law also says you cant kill anyone.. so that must be based on these same average priciples and morals of our society. If you say you agree with the rules of our society and you dont want any maniacs in, then dont start justifying your own way of breaking the rules.
In my previous posts i explicitly stated that I don't agree with all the laws.
The remark i made about government killing criminals was to highlight that killing in itself is not necessarily bad if you look at it from perspective of society. It all depends on the circumstance.
I think a man who kills Hitler knowing the atrocities he's committed is not detrimental, as opposed to a man who kills some random woman walking in the park.
Not all 'murders' are the same.
maybe it is an opinion if you are able to justify or not, but when you look at the facts, one stomps a pup's head in, and one kills that guy. Both motivated by what they themselves think is right or wrong. Both justifying there own actions in their own ways. Both resulting in murder. Murder without a trial being a thing the guy who stomps the thug doestn aprove of because of average priciples and morals of our society.
Show me where i said i don't approve of execution without a trial.
I have explicitly stated (i think even in first post) that i agree with the laws for the most part, but by far not all of them.
I dont think someone who contradicts himself is capable to judge/kill anyone..
I think its in human nature to be judging all the time, its your own choice if you kill over it.
I don't contradict myself.
Execution i think is a nasty camouflaged word that still just represents ending a life on purpose, but somehow it makes it sound like you are more human then a murderer, is that because of the "average principles and morals of our society"?
No, it's because the thug is guilty of murder, and the puppy is not.
I think it's a big enough difference.
Why is this? I am also sure i can "imagine" why. But the point is why feel groced out by one and okay with another, its just a way to show how ontrustworthy our priciples and morals can be sometimes. Thats why i think it isnt a good idea to start ending some lives over it.
Listen.....Morals are subjective. Ultimately they only exist in our heads, okay?
It's not objectively right or wrong to do anything. What do you mean by "untrustworthy"?
A cat's brain is many times smaller than that of a human. Thus the behavior and judgment expectations for it are completely different, as far as I (and im sure most other people) are concerned. With intelligence comes power, and (i think) responsibility.
You are not really helping with a way to fix them. So you can scratch "i would be the "first" to say fix them, its actually very weird you say that while you also blatantly say you would end their lives. Im starting to fear your way of "fixing" people.If the methods are missing and you really want to fix them, turn them in for psychological evaluation or something like that, they cant contribute to that noble cause ... when they are dead.
I'd rather end their lives than risk a repeat offense on their part.
If there was already a known method available (through brain surgery or whatnot) to reduce the violent tendencies i would gladly drive them to the clinic instead. IF no such method is available, c est la vie...
I would not kill Hitler, i would try and reason ( im allmost afraid to say it ) i am also not a racist, neo-nazi or extremist in any way. But the point is that you know what he is going to do, so you kill him, and save hundreds of thousands of lives with it in the proces, well good for you. Just one question how do you obtain the knowledge of someones guilt in the future, its clearly a reference to the thug being able to do more things like that in the future and thats why he must die, this however also whipes away the chance of him being threated succesfully eventually, and doing allot of good for this world, or his children doing allot of good. It is not applyable if you ask me. Because you dont know the future, and thats another reason not to judge to rapidly.
And you think it's worth the risk aye? :|
I imagine you'd be deeply sorry if you later found out that your little therapist talk didn't help and he still ended up murdering millions.
I think further then what i see or what is presented allot, that way i do not jump to any conclusions to later find out i was being controlled by my own bias ( and still i many times do ). It looks somewhat deminishing the way you put heart-felt there :P. That is the way i try and live my life, trying to understand things instead of breaking what i dont understand. Having less judgement has stretched my perspective of things allot. And im happy i dont feel like i have to kill anyone. Would like it if some more people would lose that kind of attitude. Like the murderers and the murderers of the murderers murderers.
Okay, let's say you talk to the thugs and they tell you they murdered the dog because they love the exhilarating feel of absolute dominance over something living, and enjoyed delivering pain. What then? A pat on the back?
A heart-felt lecture about morality which they have likely heard 10000 times?
They are broken people, Squiziph.
Last edited by Odlov; Nov 10, 2009 at 06:05 PM.
I hope you don't mind me changing the scenario a bit to make things interesting Odlov-
You see these three thugs stomping a puppy and you walk over with intent to kill them all. Then you realize- one of the thugs is your son. What then?
You see these three thugs stomping a puppy and you walk over with intent to kill them all. Then you realize- one of the thugs is your son. What then?
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